bobbie gindel. i would put the top four or the last four down to those four. >> and mark orubio has not been mentioned. what do you think about orubio? >> they are not good picks. they would be boring picks. it is a refer referendum on obama and it is boring and no excitement. you can defend a portman or palenti pick. the people should you pick paul ryan, the leader of the national republican party intellectually and able political politician, chris christie, the most exciting and dynamic around, mark orubio, exciting young senator or conde rice. much better pick. >> let's say he could talk conde rice into doing it. they have a bill of par