that. i think a lot of democrats thought medicare, social issues, sure winner for us. the romney campaign has been making the point about the $716 billion to pay for obama care. >> there was going to be a battle about medicare no matter what. it was going be left to what they usually do, or have a full out honest debate and we are having a full -- for what passes in politics a full out honest debate about it. there are moments of sort of unreality. i loved robert gibbs saying well, these are not cuts in medicare. we are merely cutting the subsidies to insurance companies. wait a minute, you are cutting the subsidies to insurance companies for a program called medicare advantage in order to take and fund subsidies to insurance companies in the exchanges and borrowing it from a program that is already going broke. the republicans are on the