there's a very large implication to what's happening here, rich, is there not? >> yes, it is heartbreaking and extremely disturbing. a lot of the church burnings started on august 14th, the day the military cam cracked down on the muslim brotherhood encampments but violence rolled in days following that. one columnist i wrote to said reminds what happened in egypt in 1321 when there was a similar wave of church burnings that really signaled the start of century's-long persecution of coptic christians in egypt which took the population roughly somewhere less than half of the egyptian population to its current 10%. what we may be witnessing here is the start of the complete uprooting of coptic christians in egypt where eventually they will basically be none left. martha: that's the goal, walid, is it not, of the muslim brotherhood, to eradicate all christianity from this area? >> well the jihaddists said it very clearly.