navigator because i don't think they're safe. >> what do you base that on. >> answer me. why should i give it too an organization i don't trust. >> you can buy your insurance without going -- >> our viewers have to go through the exchange. >> they don't. >> some of them do. >> they want to get the benefits. >> and you're telling them it's safe. >> as safe as anywhere else you're going to go. i'm not going to make a stupid statement. people misuse social security cards in private industries, no dish. >> more than that. it's income and a wheel bunch of other things. i'm out of time. [overlapping speakers] >> there's no moral equivalent here and with obamacare you have to, under coercion by the u.s. government, by the threat of force -- >> ow don't have to -- >> time is up, ladies and gentlemen. i think it was fair and balanced. >> if ben is going to take the candy away, why are stocks doing just dandy today, said he, rhyming? the former chairman and ceo of