harry reid is kind of ruthless. she should just be, hey, you want me out there in this world because nobody can trustee. i'll make putin look like mary pop pins i won't get rolled like obama. i'm going to lie my face off. >> that's a really good point. remember a lot of independence -- look at the numbers, break down the polls what you see is that republicans don't like hillary clinton, but democrats are sticking with her. then you have a large block of independent voters and i think there are a lot of women who are like we think hillary is tougher than obama. >> right. >> more of a hawk got the foreign policy experience from the state department. >> i think she is tougher than obama. >> okay. >> that's not sig anything. >> that's an interesting point but that leads you to the conclusion do you know what it's about the democrats and independents in the general election. i think she can win them but she's going to have to make the point. >> i would prefer a tough hillary than a fake hillary, but i don't know if you can separate the two. >> i would, too. i clintons would bring back their