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rest of isis, for the complexion of the terrorist group today? >> makes big difference when an organization is winning, people remember , there are people, you know, all across europe in the uk and germany, et cetera, going, making their way to fight because it was perceived that isis was winning and, indeed, they were winning, rapidly shoot up big parts of syria in iraq, the flip side of that that we have orchestrated now losing, that has an effect not just on the battlefield but ideological appeal of jihadist groups, not just isis but al-qaeda and a bunch of others around the world, we are not just winning warfare and we have made a lot of progress. maria: christian, stay with us, christian witten, somebody must be watching, we will be right back.