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preserve our basic due process and our basic and fundamental concern for free speech. mark: i think you've been wrongly described over the decades. i think i would describe you as a libertarian constitutionalist -- >> i think that's an absolutely accurate, i'm a liberal, civil liberty libertarian -- mac mark but you're a classical liberal. >> i want to fight the extremists on both sides, both of whom deny due process and free speech. i think we have to keep our constitution sacred. mark -- >> certainly in academic life x that's the future. today's students that are being propagandized by hard left teachers to diminish the importance of due process are our future leaders. mark: ivan -- i've got to bring you back to discuss that. it's been a pleasure.