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because he wanted to go. it has to be devastating for this mom and wife. my next guest is the youngest person to ever take this voyage. he did it at age 13 along with his father and says that they had a very frightening close call and he wants to warn others. there's a photo of them back then in 20005. so let's bring in titanic expedition leader, g. michael harris, who we have spoken to throughout this tragedy. he led us to understanding so much of this. we're joined today by his son, sebastian. welcome to both of you, gentlemen. thanks for joining us. sebastian, let me -- >> thank you for having us. >> martha: let's start with you, sebastian. you with 13 years old. you went down in the russian mir 2 submersible. what happened to you? >> yeah, while we were -- when we got down to depth, it flowed