unless you look at it. >> absolutely that's key to consider the 20 million plus the 23 million acres adjacent to the national petroleum reserve area. tens of millions of acreages so vast, so remote. people don't understand what kind of context we are talking about until they get here. >> greta: todd can you understand any of the concerns from people? >> working on the slope for 20 years knowing what we do everyday to maintain our license to do business. it is hard to understand the direction they want to lock up this state, any endangered species they want to lock up our complete state let alone anwr for resource development. >> greta: coming up, a body ride and go to valdez the site of that catastrophic exxon oil