when a substantive discussion that lasted over some of the ideas that he raised which i found unserious, like the birth issue or the seizing of iraqi oil wells. we talked about that. we had a point, counter point discussion about it. extremely civil. he talked about china and how he would be the one who could negotiate a deal with china. in the end i had to tell him that i had written a column which was about to go out, which is even tougher on him than what i said on television. he handled that rather well. i give him credit for graciousness and restraint. but he convinced me he's running. this is not just a faint. >> sean: do you have a different opinion of him? >> i have not changed my opinion on the unseriousness of his candice. >> as a person i thought more highly of him. i had never spoken with him in the past, because of the gracious way and the calm and