>> excuse me. i followed -- i've followed your instructions. >> this is important. >> listen. go ahead. >> go ahead, jeff. >> when you read that item, it sounded like a hostage tape. >> well, it was. >> if you're looking at who can come out of the field and make arguments across a wide array of issues that we used to think mattered of these candidates, i think the answer is gingrich. >> well, i can't be objective because he lashes out about my father all the time. i can't be objective. i recuse myself. >> we all appreciate it. let's talk about newt gingrich. >> okay. all right. >> so jeff, newt gingrich, it's fascinating you bring him up because i think newt's the next guy, possibly the next guy. he made some terrible mistakes, he stepped on a lot of land mines and put down himself. but if you're looking for the next guy, former speaker of the