with all of this. >> reverend al, that's a very good question. because lawanda, a beautiful long haired indian lady, amanda berry's mother, listen, i was at her funeral a few years ago. she died from heartbreak from not knowing where -- she's thinking that her daughter, amanda berry, would never come back and was dead. on the other side, felix dejesus and nancy dejesus, they stayed strong to the end. even though felix dejesus became -- his health became bad staying up overnight wondering and worrying about his daughter. but in the end, what kept us strong, what kept us activists strong, brother al, no matter whether we was digging a hole, tearing up a garage, looking for these girls or digging a hole somewhere else, nancy dejesus always told like this. she said that her daughter was alive. nancy dejesus said, my daughter's alive.