certain forces, anti-corporate in a very interesting ray that occupy or broader progressive left might have linked to. you had the coke brothers, big forces, dick armey and all those establishment forces to some extent with their money tamp down and redirect toward fierce anti-government, anti-obama. racist elements came to the fore in the tea party. they were there, latent. you can't step back and say tea party. they created a role in fomenting forces they are worried about taking over the republican party. >> i think actually, jacob, obama care, it has been very useful to the right and far right but i think it has also proved -- almost like a lollipop or pacifier that districts them from the issue at hand. we'll get through -- the reason