again, selling this is this a popular point with the american people as you see it? >> oh, absolutely not. there's a very considerable amount of poll data showing that people are absolutely opposed to raising the retirement age. and apparently mr. bush is not even entirely clear on what the retirement age is. it was 65 for most of social security's history. and in 1983 congress voted to increase it gradually to age 67. for people in my generation we have to wait until age 66 as it is to get full retirement benefits. >> jeb bush also said he learned a lesson on spending from his brother. listen to this. >> i learned also from not having, keeping the reins on spending. because of the war and because of the focus on protecting the homeland he let the republican congress get out of control.