vice-president. what would you have to discuss that you wouldn't want your most senior people to know? that i think is a little worrisome if you're on the trump side here. but why the one on one meeting. and then the question is what about flynn? people are assuming that trump had sympathy for flynn, i assume that's correct. but was he also worried that flynn might say certain things about trump? we don't know about that. >> why was he -- >> he had fired flynn the day before. he liked mike flynn, mike flynn had been a loyal supporter of his. remember what the attorney said, it will be interesting to find out, was it the night before this meeting or day of this meeting. kellner said flynn has an interesting story to tell and he might be willing to testify. that would be interesting to know. so, again, it matters a lot. is donald trump acting out of human sympathy for a guy he's known for years or is he trying to stop an investigation that might incriminate himself? >> i don't know how you read that, alan. i thought the lawyer was trying to dangle that to get immunity on false statements, dangle an