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former oath keepers spokesman, jason and teton have. his book, the perils of extremism, high left the oath keepers, and why we should be concerned but a future civil war, is due out early next year. i turn to you first, you've been in that courtroom for weeks on end. how big a deal is this verdict? and explain to us, the seriousness of seditious conspiracy. >> it's a big deal, if the charge not of not often, brought seditious conspiracy. last time it was was in 2010 in 2012, they just judge dismissed those, charges the charges didn't even make it to the jury. so the prosecutors had to think long and hard, whether the evidence they had satisfied the burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt. i think they took a little bit of a risk, and the risk paid off. i think this is such an important verdict, because this will end up sort of stiffening the spine of doj prosecutors, because they have other