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of emerging infectious diseases are zoonotic in nature. when we look at mers, the recent outbreak we've just overcome, the outbreak of -- these are all examples. >> from the natural world from animals of the natural world, not from human science. >> that's right, exactly. so as we go back to the origins of covid, right now there is help deem logical, photographic data that's pinpointing to more of a natural spillover event. so that is, you know, what i am going with, but i want to see the data on both sides. i'm not saying i'm unopen to a lab leak, but i'm going on the side of science and on the side of data. >> how open are you to lab leak? >> i'm very open. i think this is not a question that's going to be solved in three years. in fact, as we look at history -- >> so, staying with you and then