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that's been indicted contains. you understand it's 30 counts. there's been speculation tha it may not be, legally, th strongest case compared to the three other investigations tha are pending. but that will all be seen. we don't know what mr. alvin bragg has and we will all se sooner or later -- i imagine that mr. trump knows what mr. brag has. but i think trump's agnew on steroids i think anything could happen. >> ron leibman, do you have an advice that you could share or any lessons learned that you could hear from your experienc with mr. spellman and mr. baker, as young prosecutors working o this case, when this vic president, who had thi incredibly supportive, kind of rabid hard edged base that hun on his every word and love what he did, maybe even love