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not malicious. this is been restricting access to the polls. so, absolutely, this is just one of the ways that texas, in many states across the nation, are trying to interfere with the free and fair elections in this nation. >> do you think, secretary, that if maybe one of the unintended, or perhaps even intended effects here, is to disenfranchise voters? do you feel like it could have the opposite effect? for instance, in georgia, we saw voting restrictions passed, there but we saw people, rain or shine, waiting hours, in order to have their vote heard. do you think that voters will see this, and still not let it interfere in their ability to cast their ballots? >> absolutely. that is what my hope is. in 2022, realizing the drastic threats to american democracy