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again either. they argue a third party candidate could tip the scales in favor of trump. joe manchin could be on the ticket after these recent comments. >> party identification is not going to change me. democrat, republican, having a d and r should not change you. >> people say you might be a spoiler, what would you say? >> i would never intend to be a spoiler. >> the presidential door is open. you will leave it open. >> i haven't closed anything. i kept everything open. >> typical joe manchin, never closing the door on anything. joining me now is vaughn hillyard. vaughn, how real is this third party bid? you talked to the group's co-chair. what's the thinking? >> reporter: they are a power player. they will be a power player if they go through with this effort. this is a multimillion dollar