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and what may be coming in the minutes ahead. and we are looking at the clerk who we have, again, this is live. we have footage, no sound, but live footage of the clerk here inside the fulton county courtroom with the grand jury process. this is obviously a room adjacent to the clerk's office. and i'm just confirming -- we're getting this as we are rolling. we have no sound, is that correct? i'm just speaking to my control room. i just want to say, if we are provided with more information or sound, we will bring that as well. these are the two shots that we have. andrew, what you want to say? >> what we did see from that shot that the judge may have been on the bench, and the relevance of that is that my understanding of georgia practices, that the judge would not be on the bench unless he had been told that the grand jury had a return of an indictment. in other words, the judge does not wait around on the bench, it's the reverse.