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principle. beyond that -- >> you make a point, right, because that's what trump has said about it. just one adjective. perfect. okay, that's fine for his rally audience. but to take it on as a matter of evidence with those 13 lies that is in the indictment, how do you do that? how does a defense lawyer look at the 13 lies in the indictment in that charge and come up with a response to it? >> it is going to be a very difficult uphill battle for this defense team. they're off to a good start if they can get their client to stop talking and start making things worse for himself. they have got to play the hand they have been dealt. they cannot change the facts, they can't change with their client said. they might be showing or trying to show that it doesn't matter. but they're pretty bad when you read them all in succession. it's quite a conglomeration of things that mr. trump said to