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ambition was, to be a cop or whatever, get that all decided, that he had to move in with her. they were pretty serious. >> did you like karen? >> not after us. mothers are, nobody is good enough for their boys or daughters, whatever. >> she grew on her. >> yeah. >> reporter: todd and carrie were together for five years, and then in 1995, it was over. by 96, janai and todd or getting married. >> we'll see, hear knowledge, having communication with this woman? >> no, it was just a named i had known for many years before. >> what did he tell you about? are >> we would only talk about her at the beginning of the relationship, talking about past relationships, that it was someone that he was involved with, that they broke up. >> reporter: but now, police told dna, based on their investigation, todd had recently been in touch of carey, and it was not just a, hey, how are you? it was rated r.