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ago? >> i didn't stop voting until 20. >> until 2020, for donald trump? >> right. >> are you involved because of donald trump? >> no. >> so are you going to be a first time caucus goer? >> yeah. yeah. i couldn't stand politics at all. but when i've seen them all attacking trump, and really i was just like why are they checking trump? >> the campaign has put an emphasis on turning out folks like that, see these first-time caucus goers, folks who are even involved eight years ago in the state of iowa. and betsy, she told me look, she's got family and friends that are also going to be engaging for the first time. she said she doesn't know a single desantis or haley supporter that she could call a family or a friend, >> yeah, that's got to be a tough one to hear if you are in either of those campaigns, mark, which kind of begs the question based on the latest polls, the ones actually before the caucus starts tomorrow, what if