as long as they can argue it's a lower number, they actually do better on cash. >> turning to lake pontchartrain, can you explain the use of dispersants by bp might have enabled the oil to stay submerged and get into the lake? >> you know, keith, i think we're going to learn that the use of dispersants was a gigantic mistake, especially applying them as subsea on the ocean floor as they did. the only real defense against the barges them is no real defense. the only real defense against oil is don't put it in the water. since it is in the water, the barges might slow it down. it's still going to get there, especially since it's been dispersed in tiny droplets that never come to the surface. so it will just drift along the bottom under the boats and into the lake. >> back to the breaking news, the court ruling that there will be no interim moratorium until the full moratorium at the end