handled that question very well. neither one of them answered what tom brokaw, your colleague, asked. he said, have you conducted an investigation? jerry should have said, yes, i have, and i've been unable to determine who may have uttered those horrible words. let's move beyond it though, tom. i have apologized. i apologize again here tonight. and meg, let's discuss jobs, let's discuss the budget of the state of california. let's not discuss what obviously is a horror slur word. and that would be the end of it. >> joan, your view on this. the way that he handled it, the way that it was used, it was used by a staffer, we are in regards to unions, public safety union, the way it is used in politics. not defensible but certainly looks terrible here. what do you view -- how do you view it? >> no, it is not defensible, looks terrible, but i want to say i don't want to sit here, no one died and put me in charge of speaking for women, chris, so i do think that this word now has