the senate's interest. >> senator reid and senator dodd, after these reform discussions today. it's relatively boilerplate. but one there's one line that there were stronger incentives that a bill that can garner 60 votes in its attainable goal. is that the problem? is it being looked at entirely in many elements of our government as a political issue, how many votes can we get for this rather than an urgent crisis, sort of ultra critical health care problem? >> that's the problem. nobody in america cares about 60 votes. people in america care about saving lives and saving money. that's what we should be concentrating on. >> your four speeches have outlined quite eloquently i think how the republican opposition is in fact the problem in health care reform. are the democrats in the senate part of that problem, just as bad? where do they rank? i don't mean for you to throw them all under the bus, but -- >> they have to find the courage of their convictions or we have to find it for them. for months now it's like the