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Those questions this morning for House Speaker nancy pelosi, dr. Deborah birx and washington governor jay inslee. Plus, analysis from Chris Christie, rahm emanuel and our team of experts. Announcer from abc news, its this week. Here now chief anchor George Stephanopoulos. Good morning and welcome to this week. As we come on the air this morning, the coronavirus continues to spread, now more than 730,000 cases across america. And as the fight to contain the virus goes on, the white house, congress and governors also now focused on containing the economic devastation caused by the pandemic. Struggling with how to reopen Society Without risking a second wave of the virus. At the white house last night, the president stepped up his attacks on House Speaker nancy pelosi claiming shes blocking new funding for the Paycheck Protection Program for Small Businesses. Nancy pelosi is blocking it. She sits in her house in san francisco, overlooking the ocean, and she doesnt want to come back. She doesnt want to come back. Thats where we began when i spoke with the speaker yesterday. Madam speaker, thank you very much for joining us. p leveled a series of tweets and attacks against you, calling you weak, crazy, away on vacation. More importantly, hes accused you of costing americans jobs by blocking new funds for the Paycheck Protection Program. Frankly, i dont pay that much attention to the president s tweets against me. As i have said, hes a poor leader, hes always trying to avoid responsibility and assign blame. But putting that aside, because we have to put that aside, what we really need now is, as we go forward with this interim package, of course, we all support the ppp, the Paycheck Protection Program, we helped shape it in bipartisan way. We want to make sure its reaching all of americas Small Businesses and we also want to make sure that its operating in our community, where our police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, teachers are being compensated for and not fired. Thats why were asking for the additional funds in the package as well as for hospitals so that we can do testing, testing, testing. Youve even got some of your own democrats saying, those other programs are important. We should negotiate those in a new package, but its important to pass the ppp funding right now by unanimous consent. I will say overwhelmingly my caucus, and were working closely with the senate democrats, know that we have an opportunity and an urgency to do something for our hospitals, our teachers and firefighters and the rest right now. And then we are preparing for our next bill, but everything weve done, three bills in march were all bipartisan, this interim package will be, too, and businesses will have money in a timely fashion. So, again, overwhelmingly the caucus says, lets get as much as we can for those who are helping to fight this fight so that we can soon open our economy. How close are you to getting that package done . Youve been talking to secretary mnuchin. Yes, were close. Again, we have common ground. Our cares i package was something that we worked together in a bipartisan way springing from that and making it more effective and stronger so that more people are benefiting from it and protected by it. I think were very close to to agreement. And assuming you reach, close this negotiation down, how is Congress Going to get this done . I know that washington, d. C. , is still under stay at home order. You have a lot of members who cant travel. Are you prepared to go forward with the proxy voting proposal thats put forward by rules Committee Chairman mr. Mcgovern . Yeah, he and the House Administration committee were tasked to see what we could do remotely, whether it was the security and the technology, they came back with this recommendation on proxy voting. We want to make sure, though, we can do it in a bipartisan way. Nonetheless, to your point of reaching an agreement, we did reached an agreement on cares i, we have an example of how we went forward in a bipartisan way even though there was a person on the other side of the aisle who was insisting on not avoiding unanimous consent. We have a template. We have done it once. We can do it again. Its easier if we can have proxy voting. But in order to have proxy voting, you also have to have a vote to change the rules of the house. All of this of course is against the backdrop, these staggering job losses over the last four weeks, more than 22 million americans, and thats why youre seeing these protests build up across the country saying we have to reopen as quickly as possible. Do you think that the president s guidelines to the governors are appropriate and states are ready to begin that process of opening up . I wouldnt i wouldnt exaggerate the protests across the country. There are some in some places. Largely, where theres a democratic governor. But i think of it largely a distraction and the president s embrace of it as distraction because hes not appropriately done testing and tracing and quarantine. Just to move on from that, the thats why we want the Small Businesses to thrive and thats why that was such an important part of the cares package so thats the lifeblood of our economy, the creation of jobs, the creation of capital and the rest. But, again, the key that opens the door to the economy is testing, testing, testing. We havent done it right. As dr. Fauci said, if we proceed on the right way, then we can do that right way. We havent. Dr. Fauci said the other day, he thought that if we moved in this direction right now theres enough testing out there for phase one, you clearly dont agree in. No, hes saying if we proceed im saying we havent proceeded thats why were saying, lets proceed in that way. With testing. You cant not only test, you have to treat people who are diagnosed to have it and Contact Tracing, so that its not spread and quarantine, so people shelter in place for as long as it takes and how wonderful the American People are. They understand that we have to have a scientific, evidencebased approach to how we go forward, because we cant just go out there and then find out that we went out too soon. That has to be calibrated scientifically based, not politically based as a distraction to how we should go forward. Youre dealing with this every single day, you have access to the best information in the country and the world. Whats your best sense right now of when were going to get back to some semblance of normal here in the United States . I noticed one of your california mayors, Eric Garcetti of los angeles said, no big crowd events until 2021. Do you agree with that . Everyone has to make their determination in their own community. It has to be based on, again, the evidence and the data of what will work in those communities. Your previous question about the president let me just say about that, the president has established these guidelines. First, he said i have Sole Authority to open up states or close states. The next thing he said was, its up to the governors, when the governors have said theyre going to follow the guidelines, hes not criticizing them by siding with people who are objecting to them following to the governors following the guidelines put forward by the cdc and others. Its i dont know that anybody can give you a time line. Were prayerful there will be a cure soon, a vaccine will take longer, thats really the answer. And its, again, the sooner we commit to shelter in place across the board, testing, shelter in place, treatment, Contact Tracing, thats the path to opening the economy and putting people back to work. But, again, i praise the American People for their appreciation, to what it means to their health, health of their families and their loved ones to make the sacrifices necessary. We all want to get back to work so livelihoods as well as their lives protected. In a Conference Call with your caucus earlier this week, you reportedly said im afraid of what the president may do during this period, what is it that youre afraid of . Im afraid that hes going to act on the set basis that hes acted on it before its a hoax, its magically going to disappear. Thats why i sent the letter that i did after easter. Easter gave me a time for reflection and prayerfulness. About, okay, we dont want to keep harping on what he did wrong. Because he failed. He failed in the testing and the rest and its a hoax and its going to magically disappear, thats not based on science. This isnt magical. This is scientific. So i said, if he continues to predicate the action that we take on a false premise, then were in further danger and his earlier delay and denial caused deaths and so its very important that we walk the line that is close to evidence, data, science, as we go forward and not whimsy magic, hoax, allegations and placing blame instead of taking responsibility. And again, i was prayerful about this. When people said to me this and that, i said thats time for after action review. Well go over all of that. Except he was drawing strength from his own view what his falsehoods were gaining him. We cant we cant fight a pandemic we cant open up our economy based on falsehoods. Madam speaker, thank you very much for your time today. My pleasure. Thank you. Up next, the white house response. Dr. Deborah birx from the Coronavirus Task force. Response. Dr. Deborah birx from the Coronavirus Task force. We waste up to 20 gallons of water every time we prerinse lets skip the rinse. New finish quantum with activeblu technology, designed to clean without prerinsing. Switch to finish and skip the rinse to save water. People at higher risk must take extra precautions. You are at higher risk if you are over 65, or if you have an underlying medical condition, like heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, or if your immune system is compromised for any reason. If youre at higher risk, stay six feet or two arm lengths away from others. Better yet, stay home if you can. The choices you make are critical. Please visit coronavirus. Gov for more information. Step by step, were going to figure this out. Were gonna find a way through this. Were working really, really hard in hospitals, our nurses, our techs, all the docs. Its about staggering when people get sick so that the hospitals can cope. Were gonna go through an awful lot of these. All across puget sound, people have been stepping up and donating personal protective equipment. We stay at work. For you. You stay at home for us. Just know were all with you. Thank you, thank you so much. Thank you doctors nurses. Open. Remember having that feeling for the first time . The first day you opened. The first day you had a customer, the first day you taught a class, had a client, a patient, a session. Open. Remember the night before you opened . Who could ever sleep . Open. But theres a different question we are being asked now. Are you going to remain open . Even when your doors are closed . Open. Thats how we show who we are. And theres another way to be open, to pull together or push, depending on the door. And we are making it work and we will continue to make it work together. Because open we stand. [ aevery box has a mission to protect everything inside from everything outside. That is where the true glory lies. When whats inside matters, [ doorbell rings ]. Count on boxes. Paper and packaging. How life unfolds. Michael vasquez come over here. Ive heard such good things about you, your company. Well, i wouldnt have done any of it without you. Without this place. This is for you. Michael, you didnt have to. And, were going to need some help with the rest. Youve worked so hard to achieve so much. Perhaps its time to partner with someone who knows you and your business well enough to understand what your wealth is really for. We have to have robust testing of the general public. The more we can do testing the more we can get peoples confidence up, the more places like the airports, airlines, are going to be able to come back. Testing is the single most important topic for us to understand, i think. Testing is how you monitor the rate of infection and you control for it. And thats the whole tension in reopening. Series of governors talking about the importance of testing for covid as we escalate our response here in the United States. Were joined now by the Coronavirus Response coordinator from the white house, dr. Deborah birx. Dr. Birx, thank you for joining us this morning. We just heard those governors talk about the importance of testing right there, the president saidss going very, very well at his press conference yesterday. Researchers up at harvard said we need to triple the daily amount of testing in the United States to get us on a path towards reopening in may. Are they right and what is it going to take to get there . Thank you, and good morning. Three aspects of how to monitor the spread of covid, and i understand one of those critical, critical legs on the stool is testing. But the other two legs is making sure were monitoring, using our influenzalike illness thats up on the cdc website. Every state has that capacity and monitoring those two elements at the same time were expanding testing. I want to be very clear to the American People, none of our tests are 100 sensitive and specific. What do i mean by that . None of our tests that we use in medicine can diagnose 100 of the people who are positive and correctly diagnose 100 of the people who are negative. These are very good tests. But if you utilize them in very low prevalent states, where theres no evidence of covid19, you can have false negatives and false positives. So were working with every governor and every mayor and, frankly, every laboratory to ensure we have quality tests out there and also to ensure were meeting the governors. The solutions need to be tailored to each of the issues that each of the labs may have. But what the governors are saying, though, is we need National Coordination of that entire effort to make sure the supplies are getting where they need . So, first, i want to remind everyone that, four weeks ago, we were working off of the pandemic platform that had been developed for pandemic flus and we realized, and the president realized, that we had to change completely how we were doing testing and thats why we brought in the diagnostic companies and brought in the large labs. Yesterday, you could see 60 of tests per date have been done by these large commercial labs. We also put out additional seven platforms for additional tests. To make it possible for hospitals to test and clinics to test and i think what we dont have right now is complete reporting. When you look at the number of cases that have been diagnosed you realize theres probably 30,000, 50,000 additional tests that are being done that arent being reported right now. But we also understand, there have been specific issues at specific labs. To find the solutions you have to do it in a datadriven way. We have a team calling every single laboratory that has all these platforms throughout the United States. There are over a thousand of them and theyre calling everyone to work with each state and local authority to ensure that they have everything that they need to turn on full capacity which will we believe double the number of tests available for americans. Is that going be enough to prevent a second wave . Thats a very interesting question, because we have never had a pandemic like this before. We believe it has been enough, when you see how detroit has been able to test, louisiana, rhode island, new york and new jersey, we preferentially put these tests where the outbreaks were, so people could be diagnosed, because the number one the number one issue that the president wanted to address is make sure we were saving all the lives. He wanted to make sure that everyone who was sick had a test and everybody who needed a hospital bed got a hospital bed. And everybody who needed a ventilator got a ventilator. Now were working on expanding testing strategy across the United States. In deep partnership with the governors and the lab partners who know precisely what the issues are that need to be solved. The president has suspended funding for the World Health Organization and blamed them for covering up the virus. More than a dozen u. S. Officials have been imbedded at the w. H. O. Since this crisis began, since december 31st, there were constant briefings with senior officials, so they were getting the same information in realtime from the w. H. O. , is it fair to blame the w. H. O. For covering up the spread of this virus . You know, i think early on, when you go back, and again, i watch pandemics around the world. The level of transparency and communication that you need you have to overcommunicate, you have to communicate even the small nuances, when you look at the outbreak thats been reported to china and you look at the outbreak that was able to be contained in south korea and a series of Asian Countries you didnt see that kind of doubling rate, you didnt see the increase that you see throughout the developed countries of europe and certainly in the United States. When you look at those countries it wasnt until the beginning of march that we could all fully see how contagious this virus was. I think that level between january, when we had evidence of this apparently and when we really understood its level of transmissibility, its always the first country that gets exposed to the pandemic has a higher moral obligation on communicating on transparency because all the other countries around the world are making decisions on that and thats something that we can look into after this is over. I know European Countries are communicating very effectively with each other and with us. When we get through this as a House Speaker<\/a> nancy pelosi, dr. Deborah birx and washington governor jay inslee. Plus, analysis from Chris Christie<\/a>, rahm emanuel and our team of experts. Announcer from abc news, its this week. Here now chief anchor George Stephanopoulos<\/a>. Good morning and welcome to this week. As we come on the air this morning, the coronavirus continues to spread, now more than 730,000 cases across america. And as the fight to contain the virus goes on, the white house, congress and governors also now focused on containing the economic devastation caused by the pandemic. Struggling with how to reopen Society Without<\/a> risking a second wave of the virus. At the white house last night, the president stepped up his attacks on House Speaker<\/a> nancy pelosi claiming shes blocking new funding for the Paycheck Protection Program<\/a> for Small Businesses<\/a>. Nancy pelosi is blocking it. She sits in her house in san francisco, overlooking the ocean, and she doesnt want to come back. She doesnt want to come back. Thats where we began when i spoke with the speaker yesterday. Madam speaker, thank you very much for joining us. p leveled a series of tweets and attacks against you, calling you weak, crazy, away on vacation. More importantly, hes accused you of costing americans jobs by blocking new funds for the Paycheck Protection Program<\/a>. Frankly, i dont pay that much attention to the president s tweets against me. As i have said, hes a poor leader, hes always trying to avoid responsibility and assign blame. But putting that aside, because we have to put that aside, what we really need now is, as we go forward with this interim package, of course, we all support the ppp, the Paycheck Protection Program<\/a>, we helped shape it in bipartisan way. We want to make sure its reaching all of americas Small Businesses<\/a> and we also want to make sure that its operating in our community, where our police, firefighters, doctors, nurses, teachers are being compensated for and not fired. Thats why were asking for the additional funds in the package as well as for hospitals so that we can do testing, testing, testing. Youve even got some of your own democrats saying, those other programs are important. We should negotiate those in a new package, but its important to pass the ppp funding right now by unanimous consent. I will say overwhelmingly my caucus, and were working closely with the senate democrats, know that we have an opportunity and an urgency to do something for our hospitals, our teachers and firefighters and the rest right now. And then we are preparing for our next bill, but everything weve done, three bills in march were all bipartisan, this interim package will be, too, and businesses will have money in a timely fashion. So, again, overwhelmingly the caucus says, lets get as much as we can for those who are helping to fight this fight so that we can soon open our economy. How close are you to getting that package done . Youve been talking to secretary mnuchin. Yes, were close. Again, we have common ground. Our cares i package was something that we worked together in a bipartisan way springing from that and making it more effective and stronger so that more people are benefiting from it and protected by it. I think were very close to to agreement. And assuming you reach, close this negotiation down, how is Congress Going<\/a> to get this done . I know that washington, d. C. , is still under stay at home order. You have a lot of members who cant travel. Are you prepared to go forward with the proxy voting proposal thats put forward by rules Committee Chairman<\/a> mr. Mcgovern . Yeah, he and the House Administration<\/a> committee were tasked to see what we could do remotely, whether it was the security and the technology, they came back with this recommendation on proxy voting. We want to make sure, though, we can do it in a bipartisan way. Nonetheless, to your point of reaching an agreement, we did reached an agreement on cares i, we have an example of how we went forward in a bipartisan way even though there was a person on the other side of the aisle who was insisting on not avoiding unanimous consent. We have a template. We have done it once. We can do it again. Its easier if we can have proxy voting. But in order to have proxy voting, you also have to have a vote to change the rules of the house. All of this of course is against the backdrop, these staggering job losses over the last four weeks, more than 22 million americans, and thats why youre seeing these protests build up across the country saying we have to reopen as quickly as possible. Do you think that the president s guidelines to the governors are appropriate and states are ready to begin that process of opening up . I wouldnt i wouldnt exaggerate the protests across the country. There are some in some places. Largely, where theres a democratic governor. But i think of it largely a distraction and the president s embrace of it as distraction because hes not appropriately done testing and tracing and quarantine. Just to move on from that, the thats why we want the Small Businesses<\/a> to thrive and thats why that was such an important part of the cares package so thats the lifeblood of our economy, the creation of jobs, the creation of capital and the rest. But, again, the key that opens the door to the economy is testing, testing, testing. We havent done it right. As dr. Fauci said, if we proceed on the right way, then we can do that right way. We havent. Dr. Fauci said the other day, he thought that if we moved in this direction right now theres enough testing out there for phase one, you clearly dont agree in. No, hes saying if we proceed im saying we havent proceeded thats why were saying, lets proceed in that way. With testing. You cant not only test, you have to treat people who are diagnosed to have it and Contact Tracing<\/a>, so that its not spread and quarantine, so people shelter in place for as long as it takes and how wonderful the American People<\/a> are. They understand that we have to have a scientific, evidencebased approach to how we go forward, because we cant just go out there and then find out that we went out too soon. That has to be calibrated scientifically based, not politically based as a distraction to how we should go forward. Youre dealing with this every single day, you have access to the best information in the country and the world. Whats your best sense right now of when were going to get back to some semblance of normal here in the United States<\/a> . I noticed one of your california mayors, Eric Garcetti<\/a> of los angeles said, no big crowd events until 2021. Do you agree with that . Everyone has to make their determination in their own community. It has to be based on, again, the evidence and the data of what will work in those communities. Your previous question about the president let me just say about that, the president has established these guidelines. First, he said i have Sole Authority<\/a> to open up states or close states. The next thing he said was, its up to the governors, when the governors have said theyre going to follow the guidelines, hes not criticizing them by siding with people who are objecting to them following to the governors following the guidelines put forward by the cdc and others. Its i dont know that anybody can give you a time line. Were prayerful there will be a cure soon, a vaccine will take longer, thats really the answer. And its, again, the sooner we commit to shelter in place across the board, testing, shelter in place, treatment, Contact Tracing<\/a>, thats the path to opening the economy and putting people back to work. But, again, i praise the American People<\/a> for their appreciation, to what it means to their health, health of their families and their loved ones to make the sacrifices necessary. We all want to get back to work so livelihoods as well as their lives protected. In a Conference Call<\/a> with your caucus earlier this week, you reportedly said im afraid of what the president may do during this period, what is it that youre afraid of . Im afraid that hes going to act on the set basis that hes acted on it before its a hoax, its magically going to disappear. Thats why i sent the letter that i did after easter. Easter gave me a time for reflection and prayerfulness. About, okay, we dont want to keep harping on what he did wrong. Because he failed. He failed in the testing and the rest and its a hoax and its going to magically disappear, thats not based on science. This isnt magical. This is scientific. So i said, if he continues to predicate the action that we take on a false premise, then were in further danger and his earlier delay and denial caused deaths and so its very important that we walk the line that is close to evidence, data, science, as we go forward and not whimsy magic, hoax, allegations and placing blame instead of taking responsibility. And again, i was prayerful about this. When people said to me this and that, i said thats time for after action review. Well go over all of that. Except he was drawing strength from his own view what his falsehoods were gaining him. We cant we cant fight a pandemic we cant open up our economy based on falsehoods. Madam speaker, thank you very much for your time today. My pleasure. Thank you. Up next, the white house response. Dr. Deborah birx from the Coronavirus Task<\/a> force. Response. Dr. Deborah birx from the Coronavirus Task<\/a> force. We waste up to 20 gallons of water every time we prerinse lets skip the rinse. New finish quantum with activeblu technology, designed to clean without prerinsing. Switch to finish and skip the rinse to save water. People at higher risk must take extra precautions. You are at higher risk if you are over 65, or if you have an underlying medical condition, like heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes, or if your immune system is compromised for any reason. If youre at higher risk, stay six feet or two arm lengths away from others. Better yet, stay home if you can. The choices you make are critical. Please visit coronavirus. Gov for more information. Step by step, were going to figure this out. Were gonna find a way through this. Were working really, really hard in hospitals, our nurses, our techs, all the docs. Its about staggering when people get sick so that the hospitals can cope. Were gonna go through an awful lot of these. All across puget sound, people have been stepping up and donating personal protective equipment. We stay at work. For you. You stay at home for us. Just know were all with you. Thank you, thank you so much. Thank you doctors nurses. Open. Remember having that feeling for the first time . The first day you opened. The first day you had a customer, the first day you taught a class, had a client, a patient, a session. Open. Remember the night before you opened . Who could ever sleep . Open. But theres a different question we are being asked now. Are you going to remain open . Even when your doors are closed . Open. Thats how we show who we are. And theres another way to be open, to pull together or push, depending on the door. And we are making it work and we will continue to make it work together. Because open we stand. [ aevery box has a mission to protect everything inside from everything outside. That is where the true glory lies. When whats inside matters, [ doorbell rings ]. Count on boxes. Paper and packaging. How life unfolds. Michael vasquez come over here. Ive heard such good things about you, your company. Well, i wouldnt have done any of it without you. Without this place. This is for you. Michael, you didnt have to. And, were going to need some help with the rest. Youve worked so hard to achieve so much. Perhaps its time to partner with someone who knows you and your business well enough to understand what your wealth is really for. We have to have robust testing of the general public. The more we can do testing the more we can get peoples confidence up, the more places like the airports, airlines, are going to be able to come back. Testing is the single most important topic for us to understand, i think. Testing is how you monitor the rate of infection and you control for it. And thats the whole tension in reopening. Series of governors talking about the importance of testing for covid as we escalate our response here in the United States<\/a>. Were joined now by the Coronavirus Response<\/a> coordinator from the white house, dr. Deborah birx. Dr. Birx, thank you for joining us this morning. We just heard those governors talk about the importance of testing right there, the president saidss going very, very well at his press conference yesterday. Researchers up at harvard said we need to triple the daily amount of testing in the United States<\/a> to get us on a path towards reopening in may. Are they right and what is it going to take to get there . Thank you, and good morning. Three aspects of how to monitor the spread of covid, and i understand one of those critical, critical legs on the stool is testing. But the other two legs is making sure were monitoring, using our influenzalike illness thats up on the cdc website. Every state has that capacity and monitoring those two elements at the same time were expanding testing. I want to be very clear to the American People<\/a>, none of our tests are 100 sensitive and specific. What do i mean by that . None of our tests that we use in medicine can diagnose 100 of the people who are positive and correctly diagnose 100 of the people who are negative. These are very good tests. But if you utilize them in very low prevalent states, where theres no evidence of covid19, you can have false negatives and false positives. So were working with every governor and every mayor and, frankly, every laboratory to ensure we have quality tests out there and also to ensure were meeting the governors. The solutions need to be tailored to each of the issues that each of the labs may have. But what the governors are saying, though, is we need National Coordination<\/a> of that entire effort to make sure the supplies are getting where they need . So, first, i want to remind everyone that, four weeks ago, we were working off of the pandemic platform that had been developed for pandemic flus and we realized, and the president realized, that we had to change completely how we were doing testing and thats why we brought in the diagnostic companies and brought in the large labs. Yesterday, you could see 60 of tests per date have been done by these large commercial labs. We also put out additional seven platforms for additional tests. To make it possible for hospitals to test and clinics to test and i think what we dont have right now is complete reporting. When you look at the number of cases that have been diagnosed you realize theres probably 30,000, 50,000 additional tests that are being done that arent being reported right now. But we also understand, there have been specific issues at specific labs. To find the solutions you have to do it in a datadriven way. We have a team calling every single laboratory that has all these platforms throughout the United States<\/a>. There are over a thousand of them and theyre calling everyone to work with each state and local authority to ensure that they have everything that they need to turn on full capacity which will we believe double the number of tests available for americans. Is that going be enough to prevent a second wave . Thats a very interesting question, because we have never had a pandemic like this before. We believe it has been enough, when you see how detroit has been able to test, louisiana, rhode island, new york and new jersey, we preferentially put these tests where the outbreaks were, so people could be diagnosed, because the number one the number one issue that the president wanted to address is make sure we were saving all the lives. He wanted to make sure that everyone who was sick had a test and everybody who needed a hospital bed got a hospital bed. And everybody who needed a ventilator got a ventilator. Now were working on expanding testing strategy across the United States<\/a>. In deep partnership with the governors and the lab partners who know precisely what the issues are that need to be solved. The president has suspended funding for the World Health Organization<\/a> and blamed them for covering up the virus. More than a dozen u. S. Officials have been imbedded at the w. H. O. Since this crisis began, since december 31st, there were constant briefings with senior officials, so they were getting the same information in realtime from the w. H. O. , is it fair to blame the w. H. O. For covering up the spread of this virus . You know, i think early on, when you go back, and again, i watch pandemics around the world. The level of transparency and communication that you need you have to overcommunicate, you have to communicate even the small nuances, when you look at the outbreak thats been reported to china and you look at the outbreak that was able to be contained in south korea and a series of Asian Countries<\/a> you didnt see that kind of doubling rate, you didnt see the increase that you see throughout the developed countries of europe and certainly in the United States<\/a>. When you look at those countries it wasnt until the beginning of march that we could all fully see how contagious this virus was. I think that level between january, when we had evidence of this apparently and when we really understood its level of transmissibility, its always the first country that gets exposed to the pandemic has a higher moral obligation on communicating on transparency because all the other countries around the world are making decisions on that and thats something that we can look into after this is over. I know European Countries<\/a> are communicating very effectively with each other and with us. When we get through this as a Global Community<\/a> we can figure out really what has to happen. Understanding very early on how this virus and how incredibly contagious this virus is. Finally, were seeing protests crop up in states across the country now against these stayathome restrictions including in austin, texas, i want to show some of it, you hear the protesters. Saying fire fauci, fire fauci. Youre hearing from people theyre not worried about the develop immunity, what is your message to these protesters out there right now . Well, first, dr. Fauci and i have had a Strong Partnership<\/a> over 30plus years and weve been telling the American People<\/a> all along that they need to really follow state and local guidelines, they themselves need to be educated and knowledgeable about this virus. Were not only protecting ourselves, were protecting each other when we follow the guidelines. That said, every state needs to do really a great job of communicating in local communities because we know every community is different. Id like every american today to go to the Florida Public Health<\/a> site, because i had a question yesterday about a specific county in florida and i wanted to go in and investigate, and because these outbreaks are very local, the data needs to be analyzed locally. We all should look at the Florida Public Health<\/a> site, i think theyre doing an extraordinary job of keeping their communities informed of where the virus is, where the new cases are, they talk about where the testing is available but they show in a very transparent way all the cases and i think bringing knowledge to the community is whats going to be critical ensuring that we not only get through this phase but the other three phases if the virus comes back in the fall. Dr. Birx, thanks for your time this morning. Thank you. Up next, governor jay inslee from washington. Announcer this week with George Stephanopoulos<\/a> sponsored by pacific life. Life insurance that lets you live for today and protect tomorrow. Thats the power of pacific. Today and protect tomorrow. Thats the power of pacific. Fifty years ago, humpback whales were nearly extinct. They rebounded because a decision was made to protect them. 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When you look at virginia, where they want to take your guns away, i can see where hes coming from, i think its a strong statement, strong statement because hopefully this will be over very soon for all of us. But some have gotten carried away. There you see President Trump<\/a> at his press conference yesterday talking about how he thinks some states have gotten carried away with their stay at home restrictions. Were joined by the democratic governor of washington, governor jay inslee. Governor inslee, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you. Youve seen those tweets from the president , liberate michigan, liberate virginia. You believe thats dangerous . I dont know any other way to characterize it. When have an order from governors, both republicans and democrats, that basically are designed to protect peoples health, literally their lives, to have a president of the United States<\/a> basically encourage insubordination, to encourage illegal activity. These are not just democratic, these are republicanled states as well. To have an american president to encourage people violate the law, i cant remember any time during my time in america where we have seen such a thing. Its dangerous, because it could inspire people to ignore things that could save their lives. And its doubly frustrating to us governors because this is such a schizophrenia. Because the president is basically is asking people, please ignor guidelines that i set forth. Those guidelines made very clear, if you read them, and i dont know if the president did or didnt, it made very clear that you cant open up michigan today or virginia under those guidelines, you need to see a decline in infections and fatalities. And thats simply has not happened yet. So, yes, we hope that there could be a restoration of leadership in the white house rather than hobbling our National Efforts<\/a> to protect people from this terrible virus. And where do things stand in washington right now . How close are you to meeting the guidelines to start to relax the restrictions at the end of phase one . Well, theres a lot of good news in washington. Weve been very united as a state, theres been massive compliance with our stay home, stay healthy order. People are really pitching in, they feel a sense of commonality and unity. Were really proud of washingtonians because weve been able to bend the curve down, and the reason weve been able to do this is, because weve made decisions based on data, based on science, we have a lot of things to be happy about and prideful about. The problem, however, those we still havent gotten the curve going down, were sort of plateaued if you will, we want to make sure we wrestle this beast to the ground and the reason is, you have to get the infection rates down to a low enough number where you can handle it through very rigorous testing and robust testing. Were building an army to act sort of like a fire brigade, when your house is on fire you call the Fire Department<\/a> and they come quickly. We need the same capability when you have symptoms to get you tested and isolated. Im looking forward to the day where we get that downward curve. And setting expectations for your citizens, citizens across the country, whats your expectation of when youre going to get close to Something Like<\/a> normal . You heard mayor garcetti of los angeles said no big gatherings until 2021. Governor newsom of california saying this new normal is going to look very, very different. What kind of expectations are you setting for your citizens . Well, everybody is very anxious to have a date, you know, theyre wanting to get out and see their grandkids, theyre wanting to get back to work, people without a paycheck have extreme anxiety about this and so this is something very, very deep, a yerng, that lust to have that date to be able to shoot for. Obviously, no one has a crystal ball, so what ive been encouraging folks is to focus on the single most important date in our country right now, and thats today, april 19th, its the day we can control our destiny, its the day we can decide to continue to stay home as appropriate. The day we can encourage our researchers. We have to focus on the here and now. Now, we think things are going to improve and we hope its in the next several weeks so that we can get to the next stage of dialing by the way, this isnt a light switch, this is going to be a dial, where we can help businesses reopen and give them the advice and the Technical Expertise<\/a> so they can do that in a safe way and we can perfect our Remote Learning<\/a> with our students because our schools are not going to be able to open this year but we could have better Remote Learning<\/a>. What im trying to encourage people is focus on what we can do today. Finally, sir, washingtons one of five states to have all mailin voting. The president said thats more susceptible to voting fraud, than other forms of voting, whats been your experience and whats your response to those claims by President Trump<\/a> . The waters great. Jump in. This is a tremendous work in democracy. Because its the easiest, safest, most reliable voting there is. Our numbers have gone up in Voter Participation<\/a>. This effort has been a spectacular success. Theres zero reason not to have a mailin ballot in any conditions. And certainly, when people have to risk their lives to go physically vote right now with this covid epidemic, i know there are some in the other party who are afraid that more people will vote if we have that. That shouldnt be a fear, that should be a hope. We should increase Voter Participation<\/a> any way we can. So if you look at the experience, states oregon has led this effort. Its been fantastic. Virtually no fraud. Increased participation. People love it. We love it so much that i bought a stamp for everyone out of my emergency funds last sopele inste of suppressing votes, lets encourage voting, thats the first thing we can do. Governor inslee, thanks very much for your time this morning. You bet. Thank you. Well be right back. Thank you. Well be right back. Dad, im scared. Its only human to care for those we love. And also help light their way. Its why last year chevron invested over 10 billion to bring affordable, reliable, ever cleaner energy to america. [ aevery box has a mission to protect everything inside from everything outside. That is where the true glory lies. When whats inside matters, [ doorbell rings ]. Count on boxes. Paper and packaging. How life unfolds. A lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesnt get everything clean. I tell them, it may be your detergent. Thats why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum. With the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. 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Is that what your report found . Thanks so much, george. The key question is, how ambitious does america want to be . Doubling, tripling testing will help. Those levels will not get to a place where we can avoid a second wave. The most important question is, how much testing, tracing and supported isolation do we need to avoid having to use repeated applications of stay at home order. Our view is, we need to get to 5 million tests a day by june in order to achieve that. Its doable. We dont have to break any law of physics to do this. Its a question of coordinating the supply chain, maximum existing capacity, 2 million a day with the existing infrastructure and using breakthrough tests, a new saliva test. That can take us to the 5 million a day level. We can do it. Were cando america. And tom bossert, one of the things that were seeing right now is, this real back and forth between the president and the governors, the president saying now its up to the governors, they have the capacity they need to ramp up the testing, the governors saying no back, we need more coordination and more investment. That seems almost like a recipe for paralysis. You know, this week i saw what i feared seeing what i fear in disasters. Exhaustion. At least among some of our political leaders. They need to stop and rethink this long disaster. Theres not a perfect answer to this. We started with all federal government. We ended the week with all state government. We got to find a middle ground. The federal government exists for the collective defense and we can play a very strong, convening role. Not to compelling role that everyones pushing this debate into, but bringing these regions and states and municipalities together to help them understand that not all of them are going to have the same resources and capabilities and not all of them are going to have the same need, but some common standard is really necessary, so the federal government cant completely absolve them from this third gate the necessary gate that the doctors talking about and thats a prequalifier before we can even discuss these reentry plans. Austan golsbee, one of the things were seeing other countries getting ahead on testing, Contact Tracing<\/a> and even beginning with doing more widespread Antibody Testing<\/a> which could be the key to containing the crisis over time. Yeah, look, i cant understand why were not learning from the lessons of these other countries, these are not theoretical lessons of how to restore the economy. The number one role of virus economics is the best way to help the economy is to get the control of the virus. If you look at korea, taiwan, iceland, and now germany, they did enough testing that the only people that have to go into lockdown are the people who have the disease. Thats the key to testing. Their economies are now coming back, theyre out of lockdown. The kids in korea went back to school. So, for sure thats what we should be doing in the United States<\/a>. And the puzzle is that we have now set up this lord of the flies scenario in which were pitting the states against one another to bid for the short amount of medical equipment and tests that are already on the market, so its driving up the prices, and now youve got the federal government literally seizing when the state of massachusetts and when Somerset County<\/a> in new jersey ordered large number of masks and medical equipment, the federal government then stepped in and seized the equipment that the states had ordered to put it in the national stockpile, it just doesnt make any sense. I cant understand why were doing that. Dr. Allen, explain more about the danger here, we see a cycle of lockdowns being lifted before adequate testing and other provisions are in places which then leads to new surges, second and third waves . Sure. I mean, i think a Standard Approach<\/a> to disease approach, is what people call adaptive response, you watch cases come down, you look at hospital capacity. You start to open up again. You know youre going to have another wave, you expect more stay at home advisories. You cycle through this. This makes sense when you have contained epidemic. It doesnt make sense when you have a global pandemic. Entire countries experiencing this. We have to change the tool kit and thats where we need enough tested tracing and isolation to control the disease so we dont see resurgences. The important number there is, how much do you have to test in order to really reduce the rate of positives youre getting . For example, in south korea they tested at such a level that only 3 of the tests come back positive. Were testing with 20 coming back positive. That means were not testing enough. You need to test so much where the positives thats when youre catching everything. The numbers that dr. Birx shared today, our target at 10 positive rate within every range of testing. We need to lower that. We should be at the same level of south korea. I dont understand why this country is setting its ambitions lower than other countries. Were cando america. No reason we cant get up to a level of 5 million tests a day. We would not have a resurgence of a disease. We wouldnt have to use collective stay at home orders over a period of time. For the part i dont get the sad of contests, we should be working together at setting the maximum possible ambition for ourselves. This is a country that can do that. And austan golsbee, this is against the backdrop of this economic devastation weve been seing all across the United States<\/a>. Which makes some of the resistance to some of these stay at home orders understandable, 22 million jobless over the last four weeks. Talk about the Economic Impact<\/a> of new wave . Well, look, the thing is, this might be the worst 28 days in the history of the american economy, certainly unemployment, we have never seen anything by a factor of ten like what weve seen in terms of job loss and everyone believes these are underestimates of what the true impact has been. So, in a way the virus hit us in our weak spot all of the rich economies of the world, and especially the United States<\/a>, are dominated by Service Sector<\/a> industries, which are exactly the things that get pulled down when people socially withdraw. The thing about these numbers thats really striking is they come in with a leg and this decline, this precipitous collapse in the economy started before the orders were put in place. The stay in place orders followed what was an already natural process that people when theyre afraid they pull back. So that suggests that just saying liberate michigan, or just saying, oh, we the politicians believe that its safe to go back out. 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Chris christie and rahm emanuel are standing by. Well be right back. Emanuel are standing by. Well be right back. A global crisis. President trump took action. But joe biden attacked trump after the china travel ban. For 40 years, joe biden has been i believe in 1979 and i believe now that a rising china is a positive development. The uncomfortable truth is that donald trump left america exposed and vulnerable to this pandemic. He ignored the warnings of Health Experts<\/a> and intelligence agencies and put his trust in chinas leaders instead and now were all paying the price. This crisis right at the center of our president ial campaign. Lets talk about that now with Chris Christie<\/a> and rahm emanuel. Our political duo this morning. Chris, i want to begin with you this morning, big story this morning in the Washington Post<\/a>. The president s Team Campaign<\/a> team has concluded that they are going to launch a broad effort to tie joe biden to china after concluding that would be more politically effective than promoting president s response to the coronavirus pandemic. Is that the right choice by the president s campaign team, some white house advisers are resisting . I dont think its the right choice, george, i disagree with it. Listen, there will be plenty of Vice President<\/a> has had a long career. I think thats the wrong thing right now. I think what we should be continuing to emphasize the president s role in trying to bring this pandemic under control, to assist the American People<\/a> with the help that they need, to be able to deal it with on a personal and professional level. If it were up to me, id vote no on the right now in april on having the joe biden, china ads. There may be time for that. I dont think now is the right time. And rahm, how about on joe bidens side . You see a similar response ad from his campaign but how much of a disadvantage is it for him right now to be basically locked in his basement when the president has that bully pulpit every day . Well, a couple of things. I think that story in the Washington Post<\/a> reveals something about the trump administration, they know the president s record is not one you can defend, theyre trying to find another way of deflecting anger. I think this election is fundamentally different. What i would say to you, if the president wants another hour of time in the rose garden, give it to him. That show is old and stall and is wearing on people and i do believe right now that this election right now in 2020, if 2016 was defined by anger and rage, this election is going to be defined by empathy and caring and appreciation. You can see it how the public is treating the healthcare workers throughout the system, how theyre respecting our first responders. And i think that joe bidens personal story of a middleclass working class family, his own trajectory, hes perfectly characterwise to fit this time. Versus the president s own narcissism. Look, the only person whose poll numbers have dropped internationally and the states, governors are going up and the president s dropping because his narcissism is getting in the way. Chris, what do you make of that analysis that people are looking for empathy and bringing the country together . I think what people are looking for most right now is strength and competence and thats why i think its the right thing to emphasize the things that the president has done. You know, its kind of interesting to hear rahm talking about the joe biden personality and the empathy and the rest of that. I dont think thats what people are looking for right now, what i think people are looking for right now is, can you get the job done . I said this a few weeks ago, this is a referendum on donald trump, on whether people think when we get to october whether or not he handled this crisis in a way that helped the American People<\/a>, protected lives and moved us forward. I dont think joe biden, his story and all the rest of it are going to have much a role to play in this campaign. I think youre seeing that right now. Hes locked in. I think anything he does that looks political will be contrary to what the American People<\/a> want from somebody theyre considering. This is about competence and moving the country forward. Chris is right. Its about leadership. The rose garden is about showmanship. The president is not showing leadership. His desire to hit china underscores the point that the white house doesnt have confidence that the American People<\/a> see what hes done this moment. Showing the type of leadership thats necessary. I actually do the clarity of revealing a need of candor. He has not done that. His desire to deflect either attacking governors, for civil disobedience or attacking china shows that he doesnt have a narrative a positive narrative of his leadership because he knows the American People<\/a> have made a judgment to date on his capacity and capability which has fallen way short of what we need as a country. Everybody has the same cabin fever of wanting to get back. The fact is, we dont have the system yet and the confidence in the system to allow us and he has not led in that effort. George, lets be honest about whats going on here, okay, when rahm talks about the politics. There have been attacks going both ways here, we have had governors across this country who are under great stress and strain who have attacked the white house any number of times the president has attacked back, i said when i was with you a couple of weeks ago i said the president shouldnt be doing that kind of thing. But you cant also deny the fact that theres been good a back and forth on this. And that there are some people trying to play politics. I dont think that this should be working here. Were in the midst of a crisis i take your point. I take your point on that. Let me just press that, do these tweets saying liberate michigan, liberate virginia, do they take that to a new level and cross the line . You heard what governor jay inslee said about that. Well, listen, governor inslee has been one of the most partisan political people in this fight. Lets be honest in judging the source. What we need to be looking at here, initially everyone was concerned because the president said he was totally in control and take charge of this. He wasnt going to listen to medical experts. What did we find . He listened to the medical experts, deferred to them and he deferred to the governors and said you make the calls. That doesnt prevent him to critique those calls that the governors make, in the same way that the governors are critiquing his performance. But the fact is, the president has deferred to his medical experts and the president has allowed each governor to make their own decision based upon on whats going on in ground. Look, in a crisis in this moment of time, the best politics and were seven months from election the best politics is to put partisanship aside. Chris is right, heres what the medical profession says. What he doesnt then say within the same hour he undermines everything theyre doing. The governors are trying as jay noted, and i think it was a very important point, the very definition of what Public Health<\/a> needs are by the white house would not allow right now total reopening by socalled liberate michigan, liberate virginia, minnesota, so hes undermining the very goals and that therefore undermines his own political standing. The public doesnt look to his showmanship. Hes not doing well politically, you can take a temperature raise right now. It doesnt determine what will happen in november. A crisis reveals character. It needs also the clarity of candor, he has not been able to do that. And thats why theres been this bickering and i think the American People<\/a> are exhausted by it. Theyve rejected it. Theyre looking for while its a referendum on donald trump, theyre looking for an alternative that will lead the country through this crisis together. Guys, thank you both for your time this morning. Great debate. Thats all we have time for this morning. Thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. Check out world news tonight and ill see you tomorrow on gma. Your sunday with us. Check out world news tonight and ill see you tomorrow on gma. Sweeping plan for california to help the atrisk population. A look outside, you see scattered clouds from the golden gate bridge. 5 4 in san francisco. Cool with an sea breeze, partly cloudy skies. 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