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I know the work that the Intelligence Community has done, the department of defense has done, that the fbi has done, that my team has done. I know that these systems are more secure. I know based on what we have seen that any attacks on the election were not successful. Pelley two years ago, President Trump put Christopher Krebs in charge of the new cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency. Krebs, a lifelong republican, was confirmed unanimously by the senate. His agency, known by its acronym, cisa helps secure Computer Systems anywhere that a security breech could be catastrophic, Nuclear Power plants for example, and the election hardware in all 50 states. Why are you speaking to us . Krebs im not a Public Servant anymore, but i feel i still got some Public Service left in me. And, you know, its hard once you take that oath to uphold and defend the constitution from threats foreign and domestic, its hard to walk away from that. And if i can reinforce or confirm for one person that the vote was secure, the election was secure, then i feel like ive done my job. Pelley krebs, whos 43, worked on cybersecurity in the bush administration, became director of cybersecurity policy at microsoft and joined the Trump Department of Homeland Security in 2017. His priority was to stop anyone from repeating russias 2016 Election Hacking and disinformation. Krebs so, we spent something on the order of three and a half years of gaming out every possible scenario for how a foreign actor could interfere with an election. Countless, countless scenarios. Pelley so, back in 2017, as youre looking ahead to the election in 2018 and then ultimately the election in 2020, you have a todo list. And the todo list includes what . Krebs paper ballots. Paper ballots give you the ability to audit, to go back and check the tape and make sure that you got the count right. And thats really one of the keys to success for a secure 2020 election. 95 of the ballots cast in the 2020 election had a paper Record Associated with it. Compared to 2016, about 82 . Pelley and with a paper record, you can go back and verify what the machine is saying by physically counting the paper . Krebs that gives you the ability to prove that there was no malicious algorithm or hacked software that adjusted the tally of the vote. And just look at what happened in georgia. Georgia has machines that tabulate the vote. They then held a hand recount and the outcome was consistent with the machine vote. Pelley and that tells you what . Krebs that tells you that there was no manipulation of the vote on the machine count side. And so, that pretty thoroughly, in my opinion, debunks some of these sensational claims out there that ive called nonsense and a hoax, that there is some hacking of these election vendors and their software and their systems across the country. Its its just its nonsense. Pelley before the election, as the president called mailin ballots a fraud, krebs Team Released a report highlighting the safeguards built into mail in voting. His agency knocked down rumors and exposed an iranian plot to intimidate voters. On election day, krebs assembled a team in his command center to defend the vote. Krebs we had the department of Defense Cyber command. We had the National Security agency. We had the f. B. I. We had the secret service. We also had representatives from the election assistance commission, which is the federal independent agency that supports the Actual Administration of elections. We had representatives from some of the vendors, the election equipment vendors. And theyre critical because theyre the ones out there that know whats going on on the ground if theres any sort of issue with some of their systems. And we had representatives from state and local governments. Pelley how did the day go . Krebs it was quiet. And there was no indication or evidence that there was any sort of hacking or compromise of election systems on, before or after november 3. Stephen and yet, this was the president november 5. President trump and this is a case where theyre trying to steal an election, theyre trying to rig an election. Pelley nine days after election day, mr. Trump tweeted falsely that machines from dominion Voting Systems deleted millions of votes. Krebs couldnt remain silent. His agency and its Election Security partners answered with a public statement. To quote from the november 12 statement that cisa and its partners put out, the november 3 election was the most secure in American History. There is no evidence that any Voting System deleted or lost votes or changed votes or was in any way compromised. Krebs yeah, i stand by that. Pelley the president tweeted after that statement, the recent statement by chris krebs on the security of the 2020 election was highly inaccurate, in that there were massive improprieties and fraud. Do you remember what the president said at the end of that tweet . Krebs oh, i was terminated . Is that yes. I recall that. Pelley were you surprised . Krebs i dont know if i was necessarily surprised. Its not how i wanted to go out. I think i the thing that upsets me the most about that is i didnt get a s chance to say goodbye to my team. And id worked with them for three and a half years, in the trenches. Building an agency, putting cisa on the national stage. And i love that team. And i didnt get a chance to say goodbye, so thats what im most upset about. Pelley since he was fired, about a dozen republican senators have vouched for krebs work. The president s essentially saying in that tweet that you did a lousy job, that you and your team blew it, and allowed massive fraud, all across the country. Krebs we did a good job. We did it right. Id do it a thousand times over. Pelley still, the president s lawyers have filed at least a dozen suits and spun conjecture without evidence. Rudy giuliani and you should be more astounded by the fact that our votes are counted in germany and in spain. Pelley as you watched Rudy GiulianisNews Conference at the Republican National committee headquarters, what were you thinking . Krebs it was upsetting, because what i saw was a apparent attempt to undermine confidence in the election, to confuse people, to scare people. Its not me, its not just cisa. Its the tens of thousands of election workers out there that had been working nonstop, 18 hour days, for months. Theyre getting Death Threats for trying to carry out one of our core Democratic Institutions an election. And that was, again, to me, a press conference that i just it didnt make sense. What it was actively doing was undermining democracy. And thats dangerous. Pelley let me ask for your reaction to some of the vote fraud that the president and his team have been alleging. Votes tabulated in foreign countries. Krebs so, all votes in the United States of america are counted in the United States of america. I dont i dont understand this claim. All votes in the United States of america are counted in the United States of america. Period. Pelley Voting Machines corrupted by mysterious actors in venezuela. Krebs so, again, theres no evidence that any machine that im aware of has been manipulated by a foreign power. Period. Pelley communist money from china and cuba used to influence the election. Krebs look, i think these we can go on and on with all the farcical claims that alleging interference in the 2020 election, but the proof is in the ballots. The recounts are consistent with the initial count, and to me, thats further evidence, thats confirmation that the systems used in the 2020 election performed as expected, and the American People should have 100 confidence in their vote. Pelley in a News Conference, a lawyer who was representing the president at the time, Sidney Powell, said specifically that the dominion companys Voting Machines, quote Sidney Powell it can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump and flip them to president biden. Krebs votes were cast in georgia, for instance, again, on paper. They were counted by a machine. They were subsequently recounted by hand. The outcomes of that count were consistent. If there was an algorithm that was flipping votes or changing votes, it didnt work. I think the more likely explanation, though, is that there is no algorithm, that the systems performed as intended, that the series of security controls before, during, and after an election protected those systems from any sort of misbehavior. Pelley most elections are run by each states secretary of state, but not one of them, democrat or republican, has reported ballot rigging that would change the election. Some are paying a price for integrity. Krebs and its, in my view, a travesty, whats happening right now with all these Death Threats to election officials, to secretaries of state. I want everybody to look at secretary boockvar in pennsylvania, secretary benson in michigan, secretary cegavske in nevada, secretary hobbs in arizona. All strong women that are standing up, that are under attack from all sides, and theyre defending democracy. Theyre doing their jobs. Look at look at secretary raffensperger in georgia, lifelong republican. He put country before party in his holding a free and Fair Election in that state. There are some real heroes out there. There are some real patriots. Pelley at the capitol, the stage is going up for inauguration day, january 20. Well before that, on december 14, the president ial electors will cast their ballots which should settle the election. Christopher krebs told us its ironic that the disruption and disinformation he feared from abroad came, instead, from pennsylvania avenue. The president says youre dead wrong about Election Security, and to him you say what . Krebs there is no foreign power that is flipping votes. Theres no domestic actor flipping votes. I did it right. We did it right. This was a secure election. ticking did you try it yet . Comparing plans . Oh yeah. They sure can change year to year. I found lower premiums and lower prescription costs. And those new insulin savings hundreds of plans, 35 a month. Thatll save you money. So uh, mark . On medicare. Gov now. 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It turned out to be the long lost wreck of the clotilda, the last slave ship known to have brought captured africans to america in 1860. At least 12 million africans were shipped to the americas in the more than 350 years of the transatlantic slave trade, but as youll hear tonight, the journey of the 110 captive men, women, and children brought to alabama on the clotilda, is one of the best documented slave voyages in history. The names of those enslaved africans, and their story, has been passed down through the generations by their descendants, some of whom still live just a few miles from where the ship was found, in a Community Called africatown. For 160 years this muddy stretch of the mobile river, has covered up a crime. In july, 1860, the clotilda was towed here, under cover of darkness. Imprisoned in its cramped cargo hold, 110 enslaved africans. Joycelyn davis i just imagined myself being on that ship, just listening to the waves and the water, and just not knowing where you were going. Cooper joyceyln davis, lorna gail woods, and Thomas Griffin are direct descendants of this african man, oluale. Enslaved in alabama, his owner changed his name to Charlie Lewis. This image is from around 1900. Pollee allen, whose african name was kupollee, seen in this hundred year old sketch, was the ancestor of jeremy ellis and darron patterson. Darron patterson no clothes. Eating where they defecated. Only allowed outta the cargo hold for one day a week for two months. How many people do you, do we know now that couldve survived Something Like that, without losing their mind . Cooper there are no photographs of pat fraziers greatgreat grandmother, lottie dennison, but Caprinxia Wallace and her mother cassandra have a surprising number of pictures of their ancestor, kossula, whos owner called him cudjo lewis. What does it feel like to be able to know where you come from, to know the person who came here first . Caprinxia wallace its empowering, very. Like, growing up, my mom made sure she told me all the stories that her dad told her about cudjo. Cooper cassandra, that was important to you to pass that knowledge along . Cassandra very important, yes. My dad sat us down and he would make us repeat kossulu, clotilda, cudjo lewis. Griffin it has historical importance, as well as a story that needs to be told. Cooper