The freeman foundation. By judy and Peter Blum Kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for americas neglected needs. And by contributions to this pbs station from ers like you. Thank you. Source, the bosses ofmazon, google, and apple are being drilled over claims there is they are stifling competition. Americas top Infectious Disease expert told the bbc that the politicization of the coronavirus is coming in a way there is a considerable degree of political divisiveness to a level that everyone admitsn you dond me to make that declaration. Ros could a young people in europe becausef eating tohe resurgence of the virus . The World Health Organization says that is a possibility. Will talk about a new law for turkey given the governments new powers over social media platforms. Welcome to the program. Lets start with news not happened before. For four of the most powerful people and technology are giving evidence to congress. Jeff bezos, tim cook, mark zuckerrg. The heart of this is whether these companies are simply too vague. There is no dispute they are big. The four of them represent 5 trillion, the New York Times describes the hearing as abi rre spectacle, four men who run comnies worth nearly 5 trillion combined in include t of the worlds richest individuals brining to argue that their businesses are not that powerful. Chairman of the committee does not see it that way. Ha the to much power. This power staves o new competition and innovation. Ros how these th bosses stand up to the scrutiny could bede te ning moment in their relationship with the u. S. Government. They have never been quizzed together like this. Lets start with their Opening Statements which were released ahead of the hearing. Jeff bezos writes, amazon should be scrutinized, our responsibility is to make sure we passed such scrutiny with flying colors. Mark zuckerberg says, facebook is a Successful Company but we got there the american way. Companies are not bad just because they are big. Tim cook wrote, im here because responsible and appropriate but we make no concession on the facts. Sundar pichai told the committee , at its heart, a discussion of our competition is a discussion about opportunity. This has never been more important as the pandemic imposes challenges to our health and economy. That was released ahead of time. Now to the hearing. It wasone via video links. A company is dealing with multiple antitrust allegans over googls Online Search dominance. It controls 90 of the search markets itcused of stealing content. Here is one exchange between Sundar Pichai and the chairman. The evidence we collected shows google pursued a multipronged attack. Google began to steal other webpage content, for exame, in 2010, google stole restaurant reviews fm yelp. Do you know how google responded when yelp asked you to stop stealing their revie . I will tell you. Googles response was to threaten to delist yelp entirely. The choice google gave yelp was, let us steal your coent or disappear from the web. Isntmp that antiitive . Congressman, im focused on giving users what they want. We conduct ourselves to the highes standard,taappy to unde the specifics and answer your questions further. Richest man, has never testified before either house of congress. Amazon accused of anticompetitive behavior by promoting its own products above thirdparty sellers. The company control 38 of the Online Retail market. They are 1 one million smallse businesseing on amazon. The trust consumers put in amazon has a lot of to creane more jobs ny other country. Hundreds of thousands of jobs across 42 states. If you are wondering why we are not seeing bigger, that is the feed were given by congress. Mark zuckerberg, fookcu is d of being a monopoly power. Here is what he said about facebook buying instagram. I with hindsighprobably looks like insgram would have reached the scale it has todayhe but at time, it was far from obvious. The response from the chairman was this. Facebook, ive Mark Zuckerbergs own admission, facebook saw instagram as a threat that could potentially siphon business away from facebook. Rather than compete, facebook bought it. This is a type of anticompetitivesi acqon that the antitrust laws were designed to prevent. Ros im cook, the ceo of apple, it has been accused of using its charge high commissions. Here is what he said. We haveears competition on the developer side and customer sidewhich is essentially it is so competitive, i would describe it as a street fight for market share in the smartphone business. Ros this is all about powernd influence and it is political. Lets hear from the republican jim jordan. Big attack is out to get conservative. That is not a suspicion, that is a fact. July 20, 20 20, google roves the homepages are breitbart and the daily caller. We learned google has centered breitbart so much, traffic ros lets bring in a reporter who has been watching this from washington, d. C. How do you assess the exchanges so far . Reporter i think you have seen the democrats on the committee have come armed with a lot of information about what they evbe how they believe antitrust laws andhey areting stifling competition. They havee c with a lot of information because they have been doing an investigation about this. What struck me of those exchanges was the one with mr. Zuckerberg because it psenated the situation. He had to defend himself about his acquisition ofnstagram. He was asked, did you buy it rather than compete with that . That is how you neutralize that . Oshe used words, apparently. He did not deny that but he said it was a badcquisition that made instagram into the company it is. Th regulatory powers at that time said it was not illegal. You saw the two kinds of approaches between the congresspeople and the tech tightens. Titans. You saw one other thing, more questions about the misinformation and hat speech and how he deals with that. I think many congresspeople are worried about that but this is a hearing about competition and for them to move on it, they need to get the detail h abo these companies are harming consumers and rivals. If they dont focus on that, they might nth get the punch need. Ros can congress do anything arout the concerns which w hearing from the demrats or is this just about us hearing these utch leaders under pressure on these issues . Reporter yes, congress can do something, they can create new antitrus laws. Thte Lat Development in this investigation they have been going through and the question is, do antitrust laws and anticompetition policies, are they good enough to deal with overreach by these giant draw up new laws . There are somee that believe they do havelao draw up ne. To have the four of these men together probay weakens their ability get something hard and concrete that will help their case because there are different issues and complexities between the companies. It is still a public spectacle and momentum is part of this. With the public spectacle, they might be able toet the momentum they need to lead in the direction of greater regulation. As far as the tech titans themselves, they are arguing against regulation buwhatever congress decides to do, they want to be part of that and pars ping it. This is part of that. Ros thank you very much. Barbara was referencing 1misinformation about cov letbring you up to date. Nearly300 people died from the virus in america on tuesday. That is the biggest daily total since may. The overall death toll in america will be 150,000 soon. America stop infectiou disea expert has been a central figure fighting covid19 and he has been speaking to the bbc. You have said before that during the course of your caer, you spent decades preparing for this possibility. A pandemic like covid19. When you were preparing for Something Like this, did you ever imagine that thmapolitics woul it difficult to effectively manage . That the politics would get so mixed up in this . Dr. Fauci i did not. Obviously, when you are deang with things that involve tipoans, there is always a bit of political maneuvering. Have seen that in almost every outbreak, but it had been mir and did not impact what we were doing with regard t i think it is no secret, from looking the situation in the united states, there is a considerable degreof pitical divisiveness to a level that everyone admits, yout don need me to make that declaration. Everyone, even those with more experience and more ability to observe and make judgment on that this is an unusual situation of political dummy sadness political divisiveness. Ros President Trumps not always see things the same way as dr. Fauci. This is what we had from the president at the briefing yesterday. He has a good Approval Rating. I like that. Remember, he is working for this administration. He is working with us, we could have gotten other people, wett could have somebody else. It did not have to be dr. Fauci. He is working with our administration and for the most part, we have done pretty mu what he and others, who are terrific, recommended. He has this high approval i have ao why dont gh Approval Rating and the administration with respect to the virus . Ros living approval ratin aside, lets talk aut the interview with dr. Fauci. He would make a good diplomat, wouldnt he . I think he has been put in a difficult position. I was luc i got half an hour of his time as he is handling this pandemic. We focus on medical issues, things like masks, hydroxychloroqui, vaccines. It is worth asking him about the politics because hes put in the middle of this political hard for him to doob. Aking it i asked about the president seeming to endorse as recently as yesterday hydroxychloroquine. I h asked about the president retreating somebody who said you dr. Fauci said that was not helpful. I asked how he is doing. He has been going at this for five months nonstop h, r days. He said it is stressful and he said it is stressful becau of all thes issues to do with politics. He is trying to do his job and trying to manage the politics, both of them are important because he needs to be as effective as possible. What i heard during my halfhour with him was a lot of frustration. With people being lax abouthe rules but also with this political situation. Ros aside from the political dedrama, pre trump says on the whole,is administration is following dr. Faucis guidance. Do y think dr. Fau would categorize it in the same way . I think dr. Fauci would make the distinction between the white house and the i. Ividual stat what he told me is several states have jumped the gun. The medical experts at the white house, on the test force, came up with clear guidelines on how america should reopen after alockdo several states he said he would not name them several states ignored those guidelines and opened itic too early is why we are in the potion we are in. I did askim, if we had been talking back in april and you described to me the situation in america t end of july, but it look like ts . He said, no, this is worse than he thought it was going to be. Ros y were referencing something President Trump said yesterday. Lets show everyonech wg, President Trump has continued to promote this drug, hydroxychloroquine, despite the World Health Organization and u. S. National institutes of health having found no evidence this drug is useful for covid19 patients. Anit have serious side effects if misused. This is what the president told reporter pres. Trump many doctors think it is good, some people dont. Some people haveece political. I happen to believe in it. I took it for a 14 day period. I am here. I happen to think it works in the early stages. I think frontline medical people believe that. Many. We will take a look at it. Ros the president sank many frontline staff, i dont think that is a fair representation from anythg we have heard from doctors. Defended hismp has retweet of a video featuring a doctor backing the use of theme drug, the octor has talked about using dna from aliens use medicines, all of which led to this exchange. The woman to set is a great doctor in that video that you be tweeted that masks dont work and there is a cure for covid19 , both of which how ex trts say is ne. She has also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using dna om aliens and they are trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious. Pres. Trump i can tell you this, she was on air along with many other doctors, they were big fans oflo hydroxyquine and i thought she was very impressive in the sense that from where she came, i dont know which country she comes from, but she said she has had success with hundreds of her voice was an ant voicehought but i know the thing about her. Yes i know notng about her. I know nothing about her. Thank you very much, everybody. Ros the president was gone. I know she asked dr. Fauci for his take on that exchange. When the president , as he did yesterday, retweets things from people who say you dont need to wear a mas how unhelpful is that from a medical perspective . Dr. Fauci you know, i mean, this issue of tweeting and me tweeting is something i have never understood or gotten involved in, but you have to say it is not helpful. If people get signals abt not Wearing Masks when we are trying to get people to uniksrsally wear m ld so you wsk the president not to do that . Dr. Fauci hat is not the way it works. I think my feeling about what we should do with masks is very clearly understood by everyone, including those in the white house. What about hyoxychloroquine . I ask because it has come back into the news because the president yesterday stood there instead that he believes in it and it is safe and seemed to be uting this drug. Is the president right . Dr. Fauci again, it is not productive or helpful for me to be making judges on right or wrong, but what i can say is what i have said all along, that the overwhelming body o data from trials that were wellrun, ndomized trials, indicating that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in treating coronavirus disease or covid19. Think when ies talking to you, i need to step back and think, what are the state of the affairs where you are doing an interview with a having to ask abouand you are who have referenceomg doctors aliens. It is an unusual place we have got. Yeah, the dna from aliens phase of thipresidency, which is weird. She has also suggested that gynecological problems can come om having dreams about having sex with demons. Ndit is bizarrehe president did not like it because he left he was asked about it. Ately as i pushed dr. Fauci on this a little, he is not comfortable talking about the politics of this in the differences he has p with tsident. But the reason i wanted to push him on this is because dr. Fauci has a 65 Approval Rating in this country. There is so much misinformation on the internet. The president says one thing, doctors say another thing. You ve somebody who has a high o degrtrust from the Public Interest some extent having his voice clarifying the issues aroundis maskses around hydroxychloroquine i think is useful when e president might be saying Something Else and they wanted to ask dr. Fauci, in a sense, dont you have a duty to speak out because the erican public does trust you at a time when they are getting misinformation and the is not a lot of trust in other institutions . He does not necessarily want to talk about it but he does want to make his position clear. His position is masks are helpful, hydroxychloroquine for the tre9 ment of covid not helpful, it has not been proven to be heyful. He was v categorical that he has not misled the am public on those issues. Ros thanks for joining us. Appreciate you coming on to talk about this. In a fewut m, we will switch to europe. The world health organngation suggesoung people could be contributing to the resurgence of the virus. Ros a railway bridge has collapsed after a freight traing fire and derailed in arizona. Up to 10 cards left the track west of phoenix. I heard from fire officials and theyaid there have been no major issues injuries but sothey treated one pfor smoke inhalation. It is incredible that we have tnot seen injuries becaus is a train that caught fir and derailed and the bridge secollover a popular park. It is a suburb re of phoenix d that is a large park where on a morning like this, weve got a lot of people biking and walking around. We spoke with one woman who said she had just finished going under the bridge on her morning walk when it collapsed terwards. She said the sound was horrifying and she describedhe scene as looking like a scene out of hell. Ros wene are here in the bb room. The bosses of amazon,eb fk, apple, and google are being grilled over claims they are stifling competition. There has been a warning from thworth of hel from the World Health Organization that young people could bee drivingp spikes in coronavirus in reporter across europe, the authorities are the lookout and they are worried by what they see. Covid cases are onhe rise amid celebrations not just here in barcelona, but in many places that some social restrictions experts warn a second wave is not here yet, but people need to be better at keeping their distance. The trouble is learning to navigate this new world. It isto not bacormal, it is back to finding the new normal ways to live with this virus to prevent it from rising, the transmission from rising. Reporter on the belgium coast,s they have had lter from a blustery wind. In 2020, protection also comes he form of a face mask. The summer accessory everyone is wearing. There are new restrictions on how many people you can meet outse of your household. In brussels, the belgium government is warning there may have to be a second to complete ckdown. Before that, if cases continue to rise, the British Government may put belgium in the same category as spain, that would meet anyone coming from here today u. K. Has to quarantine when they arrive. Tethe maps show current hotspots in europe, seen idark northeast spain,inuxembourg southeastern balkan region. The challenge is to keep although we call it a pandemic and even within thisit country is a series of smaller epidemics coalescing together. People living in areas where there is virtually no disease, that is not m to say it wont come back, and you will know it has come back until it has started making people ill. Reporter g the britiernment set it will take action quickly in response to new spikes in cases across europe. All governments on the conti