Chris and no trouble as an evangelical magazine makes the case he should be from office. We will discuss it all with marc short, chief of staff to Vice President pence. Then. Debbie dingell, thats a real beauty. Chris we will talk with congresswoman Debbie Dingell, House Democratic leader about the president s comments on her late husband and Nancy Pelosis decision to hold onto the articles of impeachment. Plus, 2020 democrats make the case for impeachment in this weeks debate. We will ask our sunday panel how its playing in the battleground state. All right now on fox news sunday. Chris and hello again from fox news in washington. A bruising fight is now shaping up between the senate and house over the impeachment of President Trump. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she wont send the articles of impeachment of the senate until the two parties they are agreed on the rules for a trial. But if the articles are never sent over, does that mean the president was never actually impeach . In a moment we will talk with marc short, the chief of staff to Vice President pence. But first lets get the latest from rich edson at the president s maralago retreat in florida, rich. Chris, President Trump begins two weeks in florida taking a victory lap even though just days ago the house voted to impeach him. Addressing thousands of conservative students at a turning point usa summit, President Trump claimed victory in impeachment saying House Republicans voted unanimously against it. 1950, you dont see that. He also touted a Strong Economy and phase one of a trade agreement with china he says hell sign very shortly. The president calls december a Historic Success for his administration despite a historic admonishment. It is tragic that the president s reckless actions make impeachment necessary. He gave us no choice. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a withholding impeachment articles from the senate, delaying the trial. Democrats want republicans to allow witness testimony. The president calls the delay unfair. Senate republicans are brushing it off. Im not sure what leverage there is in refraining from sending us something we do not want. Still, there has been some bipartisanship, a defense policy and Government Spending bills, a freetrade agreement and the accepted invitation for the speaker to deliver the state of the union february 4th. The president s Campaign Says hell travel to miami to launch an evangelical spectrum coalition. Evangelicals have widely supported the president , though in a surprise piece, an editorial last week, in christianity today, the magazine said the president s conduct merits impeachment and removal. Chris. Chris rich edson reporting from maralago, thank you. Joining us now here in washington, chief of staff to Vice President mike pence, marc short. Welcome back to fox news sunday. Marc chris, thanks for having me. Chris Speaker Pelosi, as we just heard, said she wont send over the articles of impeachment until she knows what the ground rules are for a senate trial and she wants democrats to be able to call witnesses. Here she is. The next thing for us will be when we see the process that is set forth in the senate. Then we will know the number of managers that we may have to go forward and who we would choose. Chris is there anything the white house and Senate Republicans plan to do or are you just going to wait on pelosi . Marc i think her position is really untenable. The reality is that she said in the house that this president posed such a grave danger to the globe that we have to trample on his constitutional rights, not allow us to have any witnesses in front of the intelligence committee, not allow us to have counsel present, not allow us to provide evidence in our own defense. We are going to trample those rights to rush this through and now we are going to hold it up to demand a longer process in the senate with more witnesses. I dont know when they became so concerned about due process after trampling over the president s rights but in your opening segment, i think the president believes that we are winning right now. He believes that we won on taxes, the economy is booming, on employment is at record low, military spending chris i get all of that and theres plenty of time for the campaign, but answer my question, is there anything that you can do or do you just have to wait for pelosi marc chris, its not just the campaign. Congressman al green said we have to impeach chris im asking your specific question, is there anything you can do to move this trial along or do you just have to wait for pelosi to do which is going to do . Marc way confident that this position is untenable and shes going to move it along in Chuck Schumer and Mitch Mcconnell richard neal and how its going to proceed in the senate. Chris so you think that shell eventually marc theres no way she can hold this position. Chris the president says that he wants his day in court. How frustrated is he right now by what pelosi is doing and hes been sort of back and forth on this, does he want a full trial in which he can call witnesses, republicans can call witnesses to defend . Marc hes frustrated what he found to be a completely unreasonable impeachment. So sure hes frustrated by that, but hes also anxious to get not just acquitted, but exonerated in the senate so hes looking forward to his opportunity to have a fair trial in the senate. Chris and is a fair trial when both sides consult witnesses . Marc i think would happen 20 years ago when the clinton impeachment you saw that they said both sides lay out their case and we will take a vote about additional witnesses. Thats what they agreed to and it was a 1000 vote on that process, including Chuck Schumer supporting the process so when schumer says he wants the same proceedings as what happened to clinton, i think thats what we welcome too. Hes not trying to change the rules and have a whole different process and chris, if her case is so airtight that she said, that she had to ram it through and its undeniable, why does she need more witnesses to make her case . Chris thats a question for Speaker Pelosi, i hope we have her own. What does the president make of pelosi this week inviting him to deliver his state of the Union Address to congress, a joint session, on february 4th . Does he read that is her acknowledging that her case is going nowhere . Marc we think are cases going nowhere, yes and i think the president looks forward to addressing the whole country. We talk about how well this country is doing. Chris how does he feel about the fact that she invited him this week . Marc i think its the same thing in the midst of impeachment, we had 15 to 20 House Democrats over at a blacktie event for a Christmas Party with the president. How serious are they really doing this, once again just a political exercise to placate the radical left of their base. Thats what we think this is been all along. Thats why this is the seventh impeachment vote, it wasnt the first. They tried seven times. They had 70 votes for impeachment even before mueller even testified on the russia collusion hoax. Theyve been trying to do this from day one of this administration. And the reality is that they continue to see us racking up victories for the American People and they know they cant beat them at the ballot box. Chris on friday night President Trump tweeted this headline, we are going to put it up. Russian president Vladimir Putin says u. S. President Donald Trumps impeachment is farfetched and predicts the u. S. Senate will reject it. Thats President Trump retweeting what putin said about him. At the same time, the white house threatened to veto the big spending bill, which would avoid a Government Shutdown unless democrats dropped a provision that would have said the president must release any funding that congress approves, military aid for ukraine. I know there were separation of power issues there, congress dictating what the president must do or not do what does President Trump still believe that it was ukraine, not russia, that interviewed in the 2016 election . Marc it doesnt have to be either or, it can be both but that was once again miserable reporting by the Washington Post. We requested 250 million aid to ukraine, the congress did their job and competed it was delayed for over three months because they did the sham impeachment. Theyre the ones actually delaying aid to ukraine. What are administration said as they try to put a special provision that said theres no executive review on any of this, not just through ukraine, but other countries. But ultimately the aid is in there and we are going to deliver that aid to ukraine, so its actually incredibly misleading and misappropriate reporting by the Washington Post to say we were issuing a fe veto it wan the policy in which congress was trying to say we are taking away the executive branch ability to review the eight. Any executive would have had a return of that whether republican or democrat alike. Chris i pointed out that, separation of power concerns. But you said it doesnt have to be either or. Forget the question of russia, does the president believe that ukraine interfered in the 2016 election . Marc he thinks we should at least investigate it, chris. Go back to 2016, i know this is inconvenient for a lot of people in Mainstream Media but when russia interfered in our election, barack obama was present and joe biden was Vice President and joe biden himself said he was in charge of ukraine policy. And his son is getting between 50 and 80,000 a month to serve on a board where he has no experience whatsoever. So the question is why shouldnt we investigated . It seems like we could never get enough investigation over interference, foreign interference in our election for three years but as soon as the president asked for its like hey, we must impeach him. Chris well, thats not wise happened, as you know. If there was a phone call and i was a question of conditionality of a white house visit and giving the military aid and it was on that basis that he was asking for the investigation but let me take your point. Let me take your point, you say we should still investigate. Every major u. S. Intelligence agency says it was russia that interfered in the election during a House Intel Committee hearings, a member of the trump let me just finish. A member of the Trump NationalSecurity Council fiona hill said this idea that ukraine interfered in the election is kremlin disinformation, so why does the president think its still worth investigating whether ukraine did something . Marc why dont we try to find the bottom line and the answers, we are not questioning russias interference. Im excepting that, but it doesnt mean that just because russia interfered doesnt mean other student as well. Chris they are saying and fiona hill that the whole question of ukraine is russian disinformation and in fact according to reporting, you may say it was inaccurate, putin supposedly in a meeting they had in germany told the president that it was ukraine and he apparently said to some people in the administration putin told me at ukraine. Marc i read that again reporting the Washington Post. I never heard that. I believe that there can be just because youre saying my house was robbed means your house couldnt have been robbed, its quite possible that both were interfering in elections, so why not investigate that . Chris okay, lets turn to a new subject. An evangelical magazine, christianity today, ran an editorial this week under a headline and there you can see it. Trump should be removed from office. It said that he should be removed, we believe, its not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the creator of the ten commandments. Here is editor mark galli, who wrote that. The question is when does his behavior, which is described as a moral accurately, rise to the level where hes no longer fit to serve office . And timmy, we cross that line with the impeachment hearings. Chris your boss, Vice President pence, is an evangelical. How does he feel about President Trump being called by christianity today, a leader of such grossly immoral character . Marc i dont want to put words in the Vice President s mouth, i think a lot of us were celebrating the birth of our savior this week, the way that we located is that this president has helped to save thousands of similar unplanned pregnancies. This president has helped to make sure that religious liberty is protected. This president has done more as we celebrate today and churches across the country this morning they are thinking a little town of bethlehem. Theres been no president , no president has been a greater ally. So for many of us who are christian, we look at this and say i am thankful that donald trump is president and im thankful that mike pence is Vice President. Chris you talked about morality and character. Finally i want to ask you about the president s comments in michigan this week where he suggested that the late congressman john dingell might be in hell looking up rather than in heaven looking down. It hears the reaction of his wife debbie to the president s comments. I love my husband very much. Im still having a hard time. He was my partner and the love of my life. So i was already having a hard time with this holiday in the comment that he made was just it made me sad. Chris how do you explain the president making a comment that hurt her so deeply or talk about christmas, this will be her first christmas in 38 years without her husband and why wont he apologize . Marc im sorry that shes hurting and i certainly hope that which are the best as she deals with of the circumstances. I think our administration respects the service of john dingell and service. We respect and uniform, we respect his service to our country in congress and we respect our service to our country and following her husband in congress. I think that im sorry that shes in the circumstance today, but in light of where we were on, what was that, wednesday night, i think the president is saying john dingell was not exactly a wallflower coming he called the president and imbecile in his closing months. John dingell himself as well had a lot of critical comments about the president , get he took time to call Debbie Dingell to express his personal condolenc condolences, the passing. He lowered flags to half mast. I think at the time in the moment the president s feeling that, you know, in the midst of an impeachment vote, that that was something that came up in his rally speech. Chris marc, thank you, thanks for your time and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Up next at the white house and Senate Republicans say democrats suddenly have cold feet about impeachment. We will talk with a member of the House Democratic leadership, congresswoman Debbie Dingell, next. Chris President Trump spent impeachment night at a rally in michigan, a state critical to his reelection. Where he made waves on both sides of the aisle by insulting a prominent democratic family. Joining us now, michigan congresswoman Debbie Dingell, whose late husband john was the target of the president s remarks. She is also cochair of the Democratic Policy Committee and congresswoman, welcome back to fox this sunday. Representative dingell thank you, chris, good to be with you. Chris all right, why is Speaker Pelosi delaying in sending the articles of impeachment over to the senate, and how long is she willing and prepared to wait . Representative dingell so i dont know what the time frame will be, but i would like to remind people that one president clinton was impeached, he was impeached on december 19th and the managers were not appointed until january 6. The congress doesnt return until january 6th and it was kind of referred to by marc short earlier, there were two coresolutions at time. One was a resolution to proceed that was passed by 1000 and then there was the second resolution about who the witnesses would be. Chris but there were no witnesses in the senate. He representative dingell there were three witnesses for bill clinton. The first resolution did not approve witnesses, but ultimately there was a second resolution and there were three witnesses. In the clinton impeachment. And i think the speaker is trying to do is to ensure there will be a fair trial. I think theyre going to continue to be discussions. I dont know, im not part of those very tight discussions, but senator schumer is trying to work with senator mcconnell to make sure theres a fair hearing. I think there are witnesses that would not that the president would not allow to testify, like the chief of staff, like john bolton, and others that people would like to get that testimony from to ensure it is a fair trial. But it will move. Chris but i want to take marc shorts point, it was a question i was going t