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-- i have been trying for years. i don't know how to get around donald trump, i think you have to go through him. i don't know who's exactly willing to do that. >> we have about 30 seconds left. to that point, jen going through donald trump, how does the party thing want to get on the other side what brand is telling about, coalesce around someone. is it a santa desantis, it is a hogan? who has that ability to run through donald trump? >> i don't think they can do that in a room. i think they have to see who punches back to trump and where that resonates with the public. i don't think you do that to just gathering in a room. >> they seem to think. so >> well, we will see, we'll see if it happens. >> jen psaki, and brendon--.