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to the size and scope of the problem, in the end individual department, much less the problem we have nationally. while i'm glad that it happens, hats off to doj, civil rights kristen clark and her team, it is so small compared to what we see, what we are literally reading about asked to be another indictment on our capacity to hold departments and institutions accountable when they engage in such explicitly white supremacist violence. >> well, yeah, and i wanted to get to that, which is, you can't ignore the origins, the slave patrol origins in this country. i know this is asking the impossible of you, but whether you think we are at the point in the conversation around criminal justice and policing and what it means to have a safe community where policing in the 21st century will look different than it did in the 20th and the 19th centuries. >> that is a moral question. the country you are asking their alex.

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