Ties to extremists linked to the insurrection at the capitol still has room for liz cheney, a conservative stalwart, who had the audacity to hold donald trump accountable for the incitement of the riots in january 6th. Also on the line today, who will have the fortitude to go on the record against the real threat, a Conspiracy Theorist in its own ranks. Right now the republican conference is behind the closed doors ahead on a vote tomorrow to remove congresswoman greene from her Committee Appointments. A woman who is dubious about whether the attacks on 9 11 were real, endorsed calls to assassinate barack obama, nancy pelosi, and hillary clinton. House Republican LeadersKevin Mccarthy, for one, is reportedly feeling torn at this hour between cheney, a former State Department official, the daughter of conservative former Vice President dick cheney on one side, and a member of congress, Claire Mccaskill refers to as the q aknown lady. Reports of what went down inside the room. Mccarthy tried to give greene options, according to a person familiar with the talks. She could denounce q anoun, apologize publicly for espokesing hurtful conspiracy, and denounce violence against the democrats, or she could remove herself from the committees, or face her peers. Republicans publicly warning whats at stake. I think we should nothing to do with Marjorie Taylor greene and think we should repudiate the things she said, and move away from her. I think our party has to make it very clear that she does not represent us in any way. Our big tent is not large enough to both accommodate conservatives and cooks. She doesnt represent our party. I dont want her as the face of our party. I think this is a great time for us to really talk about what we want to see in the upcoming years, and continue to build. We dont need people promoting violence or anything like that. The journal writing this, quote. If they punish cheney, while saying nothing about greene, it will deserve a longer time in the wilderness. The main goal of the House Minority is to be the majority. In 2022, republicans should have an excellent chance, but dont squander if, if they purge serious members like cheney, and let themselves be defined by Conspiracy Theorists and Parkland Truthers. Where the basis of support comes from. Reporter during the pandemic, the Qanon Movement appears to be gaining a lot of followers. Can you talk about what you think about that and what you have to say about people who are following this movement right now . I dont know much about the movement other than i understand they like me very much. Which i appreciate. Ive heard these are people who love or country. I nothing about it. I know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard, but i know nothing about it. They belief its a fake run by the deep state. Ill tell you what i know about. I know about antifa and the radical left and how violent they are and how vicious they are, and i know how theyre burning down cities run by democrats. Qanon is nuts and real leaders call them Conspiracy Theories. You may be right. Can i be honest . He may be right, but i dont know about qanon. You do know. No, i dont know. No, i dont know. Tell me all about this it. Lets waste a whole show. The lasting stain of trump is where we start today. Former congresswoman donna i havers is back. Alexi mccannen, and my fred matthew dowd, and found are of the Group Country over party. Well also start at the hill with our msnbc correspondent garrett haake. What is going on up there. Reporter a resolution would allow greenes Committee Appointments to be taken away from her. Theres been a pretty serious negotiating process, with democrat hopes that Kevin Mccarthy and republicans would handle the greene problem themselves, they would somehow find a way to act, to punish her, to get her to apologize and repudiate her past views. That hasnt happened. If republicans arent willing to act, democrats are. When ive heard from democratic lawmakers, you know, of all the Crazy Things Greene has set, the 9 11 Conspiracy Theories, its the endorsement of Political Violence, has them saying you can make any slippery slope, pros argument, this has to be nipped in the bud. Political violence is far too fresh in the minds of everyone who lives and works up here after january 6th. Its too connected. You cannot have someone running around in the has of congress who has endorsed violence against other members. That just wont fly. Thats what leads us to this incredibly defining moment for republicans to decide, are these going to handle this problem on their own, or more concerned about liz cheney and her breaking of one House Republican rule, which is thousand shalt not cross donald trump. Why is liz cheney in trouble . For those of us who live in reality. There are ten republicans in the house who voted to impeach donald trump. Why is liz cheney in so much trouble . Because she is the star voice of the Impeachment Managers case. But thats not her fault. Reporter well, no, but its what shes going to be punished for potentialer h clear, unequivocal denunciation of the former president s conduct up to and On January 6th is probably more direct and more forceful s. And because she is everything a smallc conservative is supposed to stand for rings more clearly to a lot of people on that side of the aisle. It makes her vote so powerful and her voice so important on that one issue. Shes everything that conservatives like, you moe, Mitch Mcconnell, who is nobodys idea of a resistance hero, to come out and strongly backing liz cheney as a voice that needs to be in the political discussion right now, the same sort of conservative credentials that makes her condemnation so dangerous to those who want him to continue to be the face of this party now and into the future. Matthew, if it werent so scary and trainingic and did say so helpful, that theyre torn with liz cheney and the qanon woman, it would be funny that liz cheney is the one who is in trouble. This seems its like gra knoll that fruits, flakes and nuts are part of this. This should be a layup. Any other moment in history should be a layup. Of course you would take her off the committees, get rid of this person. Theyre not even on the same Basketball Course in the midst of this. Marjorie Taylor Greene is the symptom of a bigger problem, thats why its taken them days, weeks, even months to deal with this. She represents a significant portion of the Republican Base today. The qanon is not some insignificant part. It is a significant part of the base. When you have that, and thats why they seem compromised between it, so they may strip her from committees. They havent solved the problem at all. My guess is she goes back down to georgia and takes it like a badge of honor among her qanon peers, which is what happened in congress, in washington, d. C. , but theres a fundamental problems that the republicans still seem to be unwilling to deal with, a part of their base that wanted to full any election, and use the political theories in political discourse. They have as of yet, not dealt with that part of the problem. Well, i mean, matthew, i think its also so tied into what they have ahead of them, which is an opportunity to convict donald trump for inciting the insurrection at the capitol. These two things seemed linked, and theyre linked by the violence. I want to read you something that our friend greg sargent wrote. Its also said that republicans cant condemn greene because shes aligned with trump. What binds them . Among other things, both generally believe the Trump Movement should be fully prepared to resort to Political Violence against their opponents. How do we get to a point where condemning people who dont just set sort of promote demonstrably false theories about known events in recent history, but condone violence specifically . You cant make a deal with a drug cartel, right . You cant make the deal unless the drug cartel stops producing drugs and stops trying to get people addicted to the drugs. The Republican Party right now, because of these Conspiracy Theories and all these things they pushed, they want to come together and work with the democrats and work with joe biden and do all of this and say, ignore everything thats happened before. You and i i think have talked about this before, we have the calls to unity and calls to reconciliation, im of the mind it doesnt matter how donald trump gets punished. Theyre going to stand by donald trump unbelievably in the midst of this, in them trying to overturn an election and pushing an insurrection. Weve had the time in history where where he didnt do this before, that was reconstruction. Abraham lincoln had a vision, and then was killed. The reason we got into a civil war was because of a number of states, about a third of the country wanted to nullify the election, baas they didnt like where he was headed. Because we didnt follow through on reconstruction, didnt follow through and demand truth, demand accountability, it took 100 years 100 years before the vision of abraham lincoln, that all men are created equal and all women are created equal to get to the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights act. You can draw a straight line, noil, with our inability to deal with that between emmett till, the lynchings, jimmy lee jackson, the death of med garr evers, the death of Martin Luther king, the death of the four girls in the church, and i would add the death of heather hyer in charlottesville. Theres a segment that believes all men and women are not created equal, so therefore they believe they can maintain anything that they believe what they think as real america. Weve seen this before. All of these jumps to accountability i mean, all these jump to say reconciliation skips over the part of truth and accountability. You know, donna, i mean, matthew has widened the lens on this, but it doesnt get enough voice and doesnt make our way into the conversations, but it should. Its this idea that this isnt just disinformation in a vacuum. Its disinformation about who we are. Its a truth that they dont want to look at, and this whole alternate reality is meant to recreate a time that no longer is. Its completely incompatible. Theres no way to fold Marjorie Taylor greene into the United States congress. Theres no place for her for the rep party, or there is no Republican Party. They are mutually exclusive, qanon and the gop. Well, i think thats absolutely true, nicolle. Matthew is right, that there is a third of the country that has remained constant from 1860 until now that doesnt believe in equality. Endorsing and supporting Marjorie Taylor greene is just one more piece of it. I cannot maybe i can believe how absolutely weak Kevin Mccarthy is, that he is weighs as though they are, you know, a truth to be weighed that theres an equivalence between liz cheney remaining in the fold and Marjorie Taylor greene being excluded. The fact he has to wrestle with this is so problematic for republicans. This is the brightline test, and Kevin Mccarthy has to meet that. It seems like he already has and he will choose Marjorie Taylor greene and trump for the future of the Republican Party. Alexi, i want to play you something from ted deutsche, because its powerful. Were old enough to remember when simply being a Parkland Truther would be enough to get you kicked out of the caucus. Lets talk about this. If Breen PeddlesConspiracy Theories that radicalize people online, these theories are not just deluded, they also advocate violence. They promote harassment. They dehumanize and devalue large swaths of our Population Based on race and on faith. Last year fbi director wray testified that Conspiracy Theories like the ones ms. Greene promotes are among the most serious threats to american security. Ms. Greene is now a member of congress, one who has publicly spouted publicly spouted, racist antisemitic, islam ophobic garbage, deied Mass Shootings very occurrence. I have cried with the families of parkland, and i have grieved with them. And in my wallet to this day carries a sheet of paper with the names of their loved ones so that they are never forgotten in congress. You knows, alexi, these moments get our attention because thee so recall and powerful. , and the parkland shooting, when it was going on, its impossible to explain House Offensive it must be to these families and these communities that theres a member in congress i know this shtick on the right is to say theres no thought police, no free speech, i dont care about the arguments, there is no right for this kind of i dont know if hate speech is the right word, but talk about the kinds of arguments that democrats and opponents of her saying on these committees are making. Yeah, you know, i will just point out one thing, nicolle, while Marjorie Taylor greenes rhetoric is obviously reprehensible, violent and dangerous, theres a spectrum of bad within the gop. Its not just Marjorie Taylor greene. Lets think back to last month when over 66 of the House Republican caucus voted to overturn the results of a democratic election, because they decided to side with then President Trump over the american people, and they did that after the insurrection of the u. S. Capitol. We see folks down ballot, like sean parnell, a candidate in pennsylvania, who has refused to concede the election he lost, because hes still peddling unsubstantiated claims of widespread voters fraud. This was happening in state legislatures, in gubernatorial republicans in washington state. Its happening across the country. I was just texing with a republican strategist and operative who works on congressional races around the country, and he said the people dont understand the more Attention Greene gets, the stronger shell be with the peers and the base who want to see this type of politics and rhetoric continue within the party. Democrats, as we have seen today, are probably forcing reps to go on the record tomorrow, if this is what happens with the vote, to really put them on the record to see who stands with this type of governing, who stands with this type of Marjorie Taylor greene type of republican, but its not just her. They are on the record doing a number of things showing that they are comfortable with donald trump being the leader of their party still, and they are comfortable with this Conspiracy Theory lifestyle infecting the dna of their party ahead of these 2022 mid terms which will only contribute to the pay the party moves forward. Matthew, i want to give you the last word and another image from the capitol that i referenced with garrett. This isnt about Political Violence in a vacuum, the threat or fear of it. This is the reality of it. This is office sicknick, who laid in state today up in the capitol today. Do you think for any of them, theres any shame . Do you think they just look at him and the ceremony and think, ah, it wont happen to me, either because they cant contemplate that the threat is real or theyre close enough to some of the people who carried out the attack . What do you think they think when theres a Memorial Service in the capitol, which is still a crime seen for a Capitol Officer who died protecting them . As you know, im a very hopeful person and i have tried to give people the benefit of the doubt. Im hope everly the lack of Empathy Virus that donald trump infected washington with and brought to washington hasnt so infected them that they the probably is they may be moved by it, just like theyre moved by a school shooting, or moved by some other tragedy in our country, but then they never do anything about it. I would at one more thing to this. This goes to the democrats and us in the media, you, i and everyone else why its important on this moment. Donald trump is unlikely to get quiblgted and is unlikely to get the ultimate punishment, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt go through with this, speak truth and understand we have to stand for what youre country stands for. If we fought every battle thinking we had to win that battle, we never would have had a civil rights movement. They lost one after another after another after another court fight, but what they did was speak truth and speak to justice, and speak to what our country was founded on, which is equal justice for all. Ultimatelied American Public was mo