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MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes July 11, 2024

From the Maga Pillow Man to the cracken lawyer, real world consequences for spreading election lies. Dr. Hotez on what might be really good vaccine news and the race to get more shots in arms is never more important. Why is it the democrats are just getting control of the senate from Mitch Mcconnell today . When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Tonight it seems mccarthy and the House Republicans refuse to discipline a member of their caucus who openly called for violence and proving theres no real civil war between the trump republicans and the establishment, bush era holdovers. If there ever was, its over. One side absolutely walloped the other. Not only did the republicans not discipline this member according to reports, a lot of the people in the caucus apparently gave her a Standing Ovation. The division in the party is amplified because of two figures that the gop house caucus trying to figure out what to do with. The first is Marjorie Taylor greene. Shes a wealthy Construction Heiress who shifted to the district he didnt live in and she has spent years posting insanely offensive violent conspire toirl nonsense on the internet from saying that a space laser started the california wildfire to claiming muslims should not serve in the congress and support of executing prominent democrats. Just today mother jones reported she was a moderator of a Facebook Group with Death Threats and racist memes. This afternoon the House Rules Committee under the control of democrat passed a resolution to strip greene of Committee Assignments because republicans wouldnt do anything. Mccarthy declined to take care of it within the Republican Caucus. Speaker pelosi responded with a Press Release Blasting Mccarthy for handing the keys to greene and referring of mccarthy q california. According to multiple reports greene apologized to the colleagues for past comments tonight and the exteptd of the apology is unclear. But perhaps more importantly half the caucus reportedly gave her a Standing Ovation when she was finished speaking. Her public rhetoric is growing increasingly hostile. Thats Marjorie Taylor greene on the other side of this socalled civil war in the Republican Party and liz cheney, of course, another heiress n. This case, the heiress to the Dick Cheney Political Loon and also like greene she moved to run for office in this case from Virginia To Wyoming and cheney represents a sort of Chamber Of Commerce knee owe conservative money party of the bush years. To cheneys real credit she voted to impeach the leader of the Republican Party and the President Donald Trump with a very, very strong statement of him inciting a mob of insurrection on the capitol. For that liz cheney is facing the possibility of being voted out of House Leadership and House Republicans are meeting about this right now. She has fellow matt gaetz showing up in wyoming to attack her leading the republican civil war against her. Ask this question. If liz cheney ran against Marjorie Taylor greene in a president ial primary for the republican nomination, who the heck do you think would win between the two of them . I think we know the answer. In fact, in 2016 we had a near proximation of it in trump versus jeb and look what happened there. The reason for that is because donald trump and Marjorie Taylor greene are closer to the primary voting base of the Republican Party than liz cheney. And the problem for the Cheney Faction if you can even call it is that is they have nothing to offer. The Republican Party right now faces a choice between being the loyal opposition and being essentially a seditionist caucus against democracy. Right now the majority of republican members of congress is on the record voting for the latter, voting to overturn a democratic election. Okay . So those in the Republican Party who again to their credit want to at least stay on this side of that line, to stay loyal opposition, they have no affirmative argument for what the Republican Party should be that has any appeal whatsoever to republican primary voters, forget other voters. Senate minority whip thune had a condemnation of greene. Quote, asking the house gop did they want to be the party of limited government, fiscal responsibility, prolife or do they want to be the party of Conspiracy Theories and qanon . I got news for you, senator thune. No one wants those first things that you listed as a Republican Party. The Republican Party doesnt stand for that. The trump years were not free markets handing out tens of millions of dollars to farmers and limited government with end runs to stop them from funding the wall and adding a whole new space force and deficits to corporations. No one is buying what youre selling, Chamber Of Commerce republicans. You cannot win the battle for the soul of your party with that platform because no one actually wants it, no one in the base wants it, swing voters dont want it. The people in the base of the Republican Party want to destroy the opposition. No matter what. And if that takes overturning elections and changing the law or whipping a mob up to intimidate members of congress, so be it. The Republican Base wants the government to help them when they need it. They dont oppose Big Government in any way at all but to keep power away from the people that say as their enemies. Own the libs. Fight cancel culture. Thats the sum total of what the base wants. The substantive agenda and ban abortion, i should say. A new Quinnipiac Poll shows nearly two thirds of republican support 1,400 stimulus payments to americans because theyre right, it would help everyone but, john thune, they dont care about whatever principles you have about the free market and like helping yourself and that nonsense. All this wrestling about what the party is and isnt is somewhat bizarre in the sense that donald trump was a president for four years. He was the head of the Republican Party. And days before he left office his Approval Rating among republicans was 87 and thats even after he got hundreds of thousands of People Killed in a plague. And tried to overturn 240 straight years of american democracy. 87 , donald trump one exactly what the Republican Base wants. Lets talk about the current state of the gop and joined by carlos carbell o. Former congressman from florida. You kind of lived this in some ways. What do you think about my analysis of the civil war stance . Chris, look. You are right. This is not a debate about policy within the House Republican conference anymore. This is a debate about the truth versus lies. Marjorie Taylor Greene apparently has been applauded for embracing a series of lies and Liz Cheney Who by the way i have heard is not apologizing for the decision she made right now as she meets with her fellow House Republicans. She is under attack simply for recognizing the truth, for recognizing what happened on the 6th Of January and who was responsible for that primarily, of course, the former president of the United States mr. Trump. So thats the dynamic. This is not about low taxes versus high taxes. Back in the good old days republicans get in trouble for breaking tax pledges. Now apparently they get in trouble for recognizing the truth. Two things have happened. One is that i think the modern conservative orthodox brought into a political majority by Ronald Reagan is in some ways a victim of its own success, taxes have been cut a ton since 1980. Has diminishing returns. Two has completely ideologically crumbled. I just think this notion of it and the context that reganism isnt there anymore. You see it across the west. Theres nothing replacing it other than resentiment. Its like the liz cheneys or Carlos Kurbellos saying go with us because why . What do you got . Well, chris, i think thats a good point that maybe it is a victim of its own success and thats why about ten years ago the Republican Party essentially became the party of no. They just started saying no to everything and donald trump being an opportunistic person saw that party, saw that it really didnt start standing for nothing and decided to hijack it and here we are today where the party cannot even accept Simple Truths and a party that cannot Simple Truths, that cannot condemn lies cannot really put out there an agenda or a set of proposals for people to follow or to embrace. People that dont recognize the truth and express simple truth, it is very difficult for them to lead so right now and to their credit Mitch Mcconnell and jon thune and liz cheney and others are trying to wage this war but it seems like they will come up short. It was interesting to me the governor of West Virginia, a trumpiest, right . The reddest states in the yung is pushing for this relief bill saying dont worry about the deficits. Its like, if the choice of the Republican Party is 1,400 checks and qanon and possibly the execution of the political enemies, thats one way to go. Or its bad and we should uphold democracy and worry about the deficit and dont give the checks, that second wing is not in good shape. Like thats not the winning wing right now. The lessons for republicans in the last four years is that as long as youre okay with trump right. You can pretty much be for anything. Anything, right. You want. And that is not a coherent way forward that consistently win a majority of the public support. You are right. Its trump but its sort against the libs. Right . If youre fighting the other side i think abortion continues to be a litmus test and cant be like a prochoice justice but those that it. Its a free loving field ideologically after that which is part of what were seeing in this. Thank you for giving us a little bit of expertise tonight. Thank you, chris. Good night. Theres a strategy of the right wing Media Returns to again and again. Which is, to point to Something Else and say, well hey, what about that . All the time. For example, in a republican president whipped up and Incited A Mob and then they attacked the u. S. Capitol in pursuit of overturning a legitimate media they went to the playbook and ab instead of reckoning with what had happened, what about antifa . Theyre now doing this again with Marjorie Taylor greene, a member of congress who has literally signaled support for the murder of democratic lawmakers. I think she says thats someone that managed the page but that happened. This is fox news today, suggesting a double standard of greene and omar, someone who does not have public support for killing her fellow lawmakers. House republicans are using the same tactic as their media allies so this afternoon in response congresswoman omar released a statement that reads in part, quote, lets be clear. This is a desperate smear rooted in racism. The House Republican caucus instead of holding her accountable is now flaming the flames. Republicans will do anything to distract from the fact that they have only allowed but elevated the members of their own ku kus. It is an immediate threat to the members of the congress and the fundamental democratic processes. Joining me now for her first interview on is representative omar of minnesota. Representative, congresswoman, did you expect that you would be pulled into this . Because you have become kind of the a goto figure in these moments for the Republican Party. Sadly, this is the republican playbook. We saw it with donald trump that any time they are faced with consequences for their actions to undermine our democracy, they blame muslims, immigrants, they blame black people, they blame women. I just happen to embody all of these identities and i want to make sure that we are clear on this. This is not about me and it should not be about me. This is about a member of the Republican Caucus who has repeatedly incited violence and republicans cant just wave a magic wand and attack the black congresswoman. It was notable that theres a Fund Raising Effort using you. That fund raising, the democrats are trying to expel me from congress and the democrat behind her there is you. Not Speaker Pelosi or House Leadership. I think everyone understands what that is about. Theres this dynamic that functions now where she will use the attention. Right . And the opposition to fund raise. Like, do you think about breaking out of this cycle and how to do it if theres any way out of it . No. I mean, you know, the republicans truly have lost their way. Their party is destroyed. Their base now is conspiracy theorists. Its cowards, opportunists, grifters and sadly theyre becoming the looney tunes. These are people we cant take serious. Thighre not here to do the peoples business. They are here to just be obstructionists and make a mockery of not just our government but our country. There is of course this individual congresswoman whos the subject of this question today in this House Rules Committee attracted attention and ran with this ad with a gun next to you and other democratic lawmakers. And, you know, it just seems to me you tweeted about this, about feeling like this sense of threat or menace. Representative alexandria ocasiocortez talked about this. This is not theoretical and the menace of armed people entered into the oxygen, the atmosphere of the building and the place you work that should be a question of sort of debating politics. Yeah. So many people have asked, you know, could there be violence . Could this lead to violence . They seem to forget that five people have already lost their lives on in the events of january 6, including a Capitol Police officer. Hundreds more people could have. We currently have members of congress who are moving their offices away because they fear for their lives. Alex talked about the trauma she is living with and has lived with since january 6. I sent a text message to my exhusband and told him, you know, if i dont make it out, please make sure you tell my children i love them. This is not a joke. This is not a game. These people are threatening to our environment. They are threatening our ability to do our work. They are really making it hard for people to survive and exist in a free democracy where debate and discourse is supposed to be celebrated. We are now living in a situation where every single caucus conversation is about, you know, where can we find resources for security. How are we supposed to check for Panic Buttons are working . Can we buddy up and walk the hallways because we are afraid of colleagues. This is insane. No other Work Environment that is this toxic would sustain itself and we cant sustain ourselves as members of congress in this situation. The final question is, is there something that these members can do to cross back over the line . Whether its Marjorie Taylor greene, the others that voted to overturn this election, like what would do that . What would be a way when you say its unsustainable short of removing them from congress. What could happen . They can show leadership. They can decide not to turn the key over, the key of their party over to this conspiracy theorist. White supremacist, violent and dangerous member of congress. They can hold her accountable. They can hold so many of their members who have incited insurrection and helped lead a rebellion against our democracy on january 6th accountable. It is going to be a long road because these are the children that are born out of a White Supremacist Movement that is taking over the base of the Republican Party and we have to wait and see if they are willing to do the hard work of dealing with this awful toxic really deadly White Supremacist america. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. Next, what may be some good news on

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