Week but theres no question overall two big things stuck out to me. First of all this week was an extraordinarily reminder of just how much legal trouble the legal president is in. Its really something to have all eyes glued on the courthouse in washington, d. C. Watching what jack smith is going to do, waiting for an indictment in the investigation and his attempt to overturn the 2020 election, only to have a new separate Superseding Indictment Draft in the investigation into his mishandling of classified documents. All happening within the span of hours. You really cant make this stuff up sometimes. And put 1 figure on this mountain of legal trouble, just last night the Washington Post came out with a new piece detailing the more than 40 million trumps Political Group is spent on legal costs to defend not just trump, but his advisers and others in the first half of this year alone. The first half of this year alone, at 40 million from Trump Supporters all across the country footing legal bills for him in his circle. So just put a very fine tooth comb on this, 40 million of the five, ten and 20 dollar donations from Trump Supporters across the country has gone to foot trump legal bills and illegal bills of people who helped him. One thing is for sure. Those bills are going to keep piling up. The new Superseding Indictment in the documents case contains of least three indigenous charges in the case, one Additional Defendant and a ton of additional details. Two of the charges here center on oxen, which we can see in a particular jarring passage that says trump, his aide nada and the newly indicted requested that another Trump Employee Quote delete Security Camera footage at the Maralago Club to prevent the footage from being provided to another grand jury. You cant spell out a more much more clearly than that. And why . According to this new Development Carlos de oliveira, who said to be arraigned tomorrow, its said to quote the boss wanted the server deleted. That is right here on page 29 in the indictment. I think we all know who the bosses, thats pretty clear. And giving orders to delete Security Footage is a totally innocent, not at all criminal thing to do right . Sounds totally fine. The new charge here centers on what is willful retention of National Defense information, which basically means he held on to documents that he wasnt supposed to have. And in the case that now famous around documents show them to people he wasnt supposed to show them to. Now i know all of this can be a lot to follow. An indictment in the Election Interference case still feels imminent. Trumps lawyers had a meeting with the Special Counsels office this week in which they were told to expect one. And then Out Of Nowhere comes the Superseding Indictment in florida, unbeknownst to all of us. Which brings us to the other lesson of the week. Even when it might not feel like it or we cant necessarily see it, or we dont know the details of whats happening, the Justice System is always working. Every time jack smiths team makes an announcement, there seems to be a few eyepopping details that nobody was tracking beforehand. Some of them some very motley to me. Theres also a lot going behind the scenes. As this week showed we have no idea and just how much work did Us Department of justice of work is doing into the news break, spending till then the work is very much happening. So however slowly it might seem a sometimes, and there are many times it feels so, the wheels of justice are constantly turning to hold people accountable thats important to remember. This week was a big reminder that. Joining me now is congressman adam schiff. He was an Impeachment Manager during Donald Trumps first impeachment drawn and he was a member of the House Select Committee on january 6th. Thank you so much for joining me here. I felt the need to outline what the first impeachment was about because i think sometimes people forget. There have been so many legal challenges to trump here. I wanted to start, because the numbers in this Washington Post story were just eyepopping or they felt that way. Washington post says that 40 million of legal costs for trump was spent by his pacs and essentially entities paying for his Campaign Just this year alone. What was your reaction when he saw . Well it is eyepopping but it also shows i think by one powerful metric how much Donald Trumps running for Presidency S Part of his strategy this keep out of jail. This is all about the hope that he becomes the next officeholder and he can make all these legal problems go away as the next president. And he is going to spend whatever Campaign Contributions come his way to represent anyone that is deemed loyal to him. The problem with this is that we saw on the january 6th investigation how trump appointed Defense Counsel for witnesses. In one case in particular was suggesting to a witness, hey you should say you dont remember these things even if you do remember them. It allows the Trump Defense team few get their stories to control them almost to control, them get their stories all align, to coach witnesses, to say they forgot things that they do remember. So its problematic from a point of justice, point of view. I think this is what they are trying to accomplish. Now, this week one of the pieces of new details was of course the details in the Superseding Indictment. You of course played a significant and Important Role in the first impeachment trial for trump. As you look to the details here and as were learning more here, do you feel this case of obstruction is even more clear than the earlier case or how do you compare . That they were both strong in different ways. In the mueller investigation, it was trump trying to fire people like comey or even threatening to fire mueller to obstruct the investigation. He was coaching witnesses to grateful statements. Here you have the willful retention of Defense Information as per security information violation of law. Then you have an obstruction of an investigation where trump is essentially obsessed instructing that the boxes be hidden. Then you have an effort to hide the obstruction by coaching people to destroy the Security Footage, video footage. So its essentially coverup on top of a coverup. That seems very concrete, very specific in a way that even goes beyond the obstruction involving the to the mueller report. So here, i think the case is much simpler, much easier for a jury to comprehend. Hiding boxes, the leading Security Footage or at least trying to, you dont need a complex explanation for that. Its such powerful evidence of the president s consciousness of his guilt. Some of it would not even be believable if it was in a movie. Reading some of the specifics. You spent so much time working on intelligence issues, especially on the intelligence committee. What stuck out to me is that there is one document that we know that they have. We also have the recording of the. There are 31 other documents. As youve looked through and they are outlined again in the superseding document, the details of the level of classification. How concerned are you that some of these documents might even be worse or more damaging than the iran darknet that we have more details on . Its hard to imagine things that are more damaging than the iran war plans or other documents that have been described or their classifications. What would concern me most is do any of these documents by reading them reveal who the sources are of information . If they are Human Sources or what the technical source is. Thats the most damaging thing because then that futures threatens future intelligence or lives. Some of these were kept in the bathroom or the stage or in a public resort, that god knows who had access to, and also have to mention to that the Intelligence Community right now in for months has been trying to evaluate what documents are out there that we dont know that we havent seen, that may have been destroyed or if not destroyed maybe worse, maybe in the wrong hands . I want to just turn to another case. There is so much to cover. The investigation into trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Theres a lot of tv for breeding going out there, im not gonna ask you to make a prediction. We know former new York City Police commissioner and trump ally bernie kerik worked with Rudy Giuliani trying to find voter fraud since before the grand jury next month. Youve prosecuted cases. Do you expect that they will come out with an indictment before that or do they need that in order to make the strongest case . We are all blind here because we havent seen the body of evidence that the Special Counsel has, but i would imagine that if the target letter went out, if theyre having lastminute conversations, that smith is ready to indict. He may just want to Dominick Rossiter by Bringing Carrick in. He may not expect to get a lot of valuable information, but he wants to make sure that at least of the other side called kerik you know what hed have to say. I dont think its necessary that the investigation would wait until then, and as we saw in florida, if the Special Counsel gets new information there can always be a Superseding Indictment on these january six charges. And by the way, on the january 6th charges, these are the ones that i think all of us have been waiting for. Theyre the most serious allegations regarding the president s effort to interfere with a peaceful transfer of power for the first time in history. Think that Justice Department he moved talked about the onset about, the wheels moving slowly. They have been, moving slowly but they appear to be arriving at their destination. What we are waiting. Wanted to ask you before you go about this Impeachment Inquiry that Kevin Mccarthy has been floating out there. You have led one of these before and you know the level of detail that is needed. Is there any sense that he even knows what he wants to impeach the president about . No. For a while it wasnt cleared they want to who they wanted to impeach. They want to impeach Merrick Garland or joe biden or Somebody Else . They seem to be an impeachment in search of a subject, and certainly in search of evidence. About what concerns me is i think mccarthy may open an Impeachment Inquiry because he thinks may not off the steam of the crazies in this conference, but by doing it is going to set a train in motion that he may not be able to stop. And of Course Mccarthy is not thinking ahead. Hes Thinking Hanoi keep my speakership for another day, maybe another week. Hes not thinking about what he is doing to the country which is i think really devastating to the country. These kind of full phone in investigators and potential abuse of the impeachment. Power may be hard to stop, but thats an interesting thing to watch no. Congressman adam schiff, thank you so much for coming in and joining me today. Coming up, a former top doj official why that tape of Trump Waiting around the, classified document just got so much more important. 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But one of the biggest was something he was not charged for, specifically instance in which trump allegedly showed off a classified document showing iran to people who are not authorized to see it to put a mildly in. One of tvs lawyers was very eager to point that out at the time. All we know is is that at the indictment, there was no around document named as part of it. Just what the American Public to realize that. That document they claim he had was not part of the indictment. Well that just got really awkward, because when the superseding document drop thursday, right there on page 37 in the indictment was a new count against trump, presentation concerning Military Activity in a foreign country. This is the Special Counsel stating clear the trump not only had a document on iran but also showed it off. Its also an acknowledgment that the government has the document in its possession. Joining me now is mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general for national security. I have so many questions about this document. I just want to start with. We now know that they had the documented, jacksons team had the document before the first indictment, so why was it not charged in the first indictment . Why, well could be that they just werent certain at that document that they had gotten back in the 15 boxes that trump did provide to the archives and i think january february, it could be they didnt have the proof that that was the one he was showing to people, the auto bag of receivers for mark meadows up at bedminster. So this tells me, because theyre very explicit in the Superseding Indictment that document is the document charged in count 32. Can ferment . Yes somebody they have a witness somebody can say that is the document. There are 31 other documents that have been listed. We dont know exactly what they are, they have levels of classification. Is your sense that jack smiths team could go after other documents or will be the draw backs to the . I dont think at this point they are probably adding two and more counseling is hobbling. They already have a substantial number, and for each one of those theyve had to negotiate with the Intelligence Community the ability to use that document in court. That couldve also been a reason for this document not being included in the original indictment. Could b