Is leading the charge to remove domestic extremism from within the governments rags. He joins us live. And investigating ufos. Im gonna speak with congressman Robert Garcia about the explosive whistleblower testimony from his hearing on ufos earlier this week. Im Ayman Mohyeldin. Lets get started. What a week. No, not this past one. Im talking about the week we are actually about to begin. One so jampacked, so overflowing with legal developments for donald trump that Special Counsel jack smith superseding indictment might actually look quaint in retrospect. First up, smic d. C. Jury set to meet again on tuesday, we might finally see donald trump charge for his efforts to interfere and overturn the 2020 election. But before that, the a fani willis is working from home period visually gains in fulton county, georgia. And its just its the most likely timeframe in which willis will announce Charging Decisions in our Election Interference investigational. Tomorrow, maralago Property Manager and new trump codefendant Carles Delivery is set to be a rain in a classified documents case in miami. That is if he can find a lawyer. According to the superseding indictment, all of the oliveira among other allegations helped move boxes that contain Classified Information for trump and told the employee that quote, the boss wanted Security Footage deleted to prevent it from being turned over to a federal grand jury. But as we look ahead towards his trumps growing legal crisis, we dont want to look over the revelations of that superseding indictment. Because we learned new details about how trumps homes in maralago and in bedminster played legal roles leading roles in this crime drama. Lisa reuben put it, between january 2021 and August Of 2022 when the fbi conducted its Court Authorized Search of maralago, it hosted 150 social events. Those events include a weddings, Movie Premiers and fundraisers that together drew tens of thousands of guess. And as former fbi counterintelligence agent peter strzok highlighted, during those 150 social events, there is plenty of photo evidence showing the doors to the Basement Storage Area where classified documents were being kept, were frequently left open and unattended. Put up for you very simply, anybody couldve snuck in, potentially accessed those materials. But then again, perhaps they wouldnt even need to sneak in. After all, we have a literal recording of trump showing off our nations top secrets of edmund minister. These are the papers, this was done by the military and given to me. I think we can probably, right . I dont know well have to see. Yeah well have to try to declassify. It yeah. Cs president i couldve declassified. No i cant you, know this is still a secret. And now we have a. Problem is not interesting . That is so cool. Heres where the situation actually gets interesting. That audio that you just heard there recorded a, trumps Bedminster Club was obtained by news outlets after jack smiths original indictment. So it appears that smith team went hunting for the document after that, confirmed it was classified, charge trump with another count of willful retention of National Defense information. And the kicker . The document wasnt at bedminster. It came from maralago. It was in a box trump returned to the National Archives before the Justice Department actually issued any subpoenas. That leads us to believe our nations top secrets might have freely flowed between trumps properties in new jersey and florida. And who knows where else . Lets bring in my allstar panel for the. Our in his gavalas, nbc legal analyst and criminal defensive. Journey rick wilson cofounder of the Lincoln Project and author of running against the devil applied to save America From Trump and democrats from themselves. , Daniel Moody Host of the woke podcasting cohost of the Democracy Podcast and, katie benner, msnbc contributor and reporter for the new york times. Thats reporting that we have it Charles De Oliveira as not yet got attorney in florida. Isnt surprising . What should be read into . That is what will be going down tomorrow now that the superseding indictment is upon us . It is strange that in so far it may be indicative that the promise of council and that trump may be taking care of his codefendants maybe a little hollow. Because if you recall, his first codefendant walt nauta, took an extra amount to get arraigned or about three weeks for something that is pretty routine and to be candid at an arraignment, you really just need a warm body. Sometimes the Public Defender will stand in, especially the state court, and then you can figure out who you are hiring later on, but for an arraignment, it is an important event in that it kicks off formally the federal case. It starts the clock running for speedy trial purposes, but in terms of substantive things that go on, you just need human there for the most part. So a little strange that they he doesnt have an attorney, but at the same time and indictment came out last week, typically only have a matter of days before the arraignment. So it is a little time sensitive. Kate of, the 11ths legal fees are being paid by trumps pac. What does that mean Going Forward and how unusual is a situation we have one defendant paying the fees for another defendant . So this is a situation we have seen multiple times in trump world where the trump pac is paying for peoples lawyers. We saw during the january 6th hearings, when lawyers were paid for by trump were essentially representing a number of people who were interviewed by that panel. We are seeing it again here. This is something that is considered its not strictly illegal, but it is considered somewhat odd. It makes you wonder whether or not these defendants will be acting and speaking really in their own interests or in the interest of the person paying their legal fees, not solid questioned always comes up, question came up during the january six hearings, we saw dramatically come to a head when one witness decided to break free and no longer use the trump paid for lawyer. Its gonna be interesting to see whether of trumps codefendants in this case want to use to used of legal attorneys paid for by trump especially looks like their cases are gonna become difficult for them and i want to strike out on their own. Danielle, let me put this photo back up from Peter Strzoks original tweet. This was the one that showed scores of photos with the doors i believe leading to the area where these documents were and also as highlighted by my colleague lisa reuben, unattended, during events where many thousands of people were believed to have gone through them. Weve also learned that those documents included material about American Nuclear capabilities. A, how is that likely to change if at all the publics perception of this . Case and to, will have an impact on Republican Voters . I dont think itll have an impact on Republican Voters, because they are backing a twice impeached, multiple indictment, has been found sexual harassment, defamation and all these things. I dont think its gonna change the mind of Republican Voters who are doubling and tripling down on trump, but you cant just have Republican Voters and think you are going to win a national election. Thats where the issue is. Independents, the small amount that there are, and democrats dont want donald trump. The more that we wait, the longer that the summer goes on in the fall, and there we are an indictment watch, who is this man . What we know is that he cant be trusted. He cant be trusted with documents, he cant be trusted to return, he cant be trusted to tell the truth at all, ever. So i think that what we have to understand is that in order to win the white house in a fair and free election, one actually has to acquire votes from everyone. Wreck to danielles point, who is this man . Chris christie one of the people running for president , he answered that question today. This is who we describe donald trump is being. Watch. It is most likely that by the time we get on the debate stage on august 23rd, the front runner will be out on bail in four different jurisdictions. Florida, washington, georgia and new york. Out on bail. So, that is who the Republican Front will be, itll be most likely someone whos out on bail in four different jurisdictions for charges for different alleged crimes. When you make of his point, the leading gop Candidate Campaigning while out on bail . You know, ive gone back to 2015, 2016 where we heard donald trump besmirching john mccains war record. We heard him making fun of disabled reporters. We heard him calling mexicans rapists. This is a long stretch of donald trump being in trouble with what people normally believe are devastating attacks. We know the republican parties standard a solo now, so completely debased in every way that for donald trump to be indicted again and again and again, his Republican Base now takes it as a virtue, not as a calm domination. They make it as he standing up against a deep state or whatever fantasies in their heads. So as much as i want to praise Chris Christie and will hurd, and Lisa Hutchison for speaking the truth, you are the three of them together, they come to about four or 5 in the polls in aggregate, and donald trump is in the high 50s. This is not a party that is ready to move on from trump. Fraction of it is most certainly, but its a small fraction, but republican likely primary voters are with this guy to the last dog dies as we sit on self. Lets not forget, Chris Christie was a person who served, or at least worked with donald trump for a long time, so he should not be given any free passage because hes found his spine this late in the game. I want to ask about these charges. Related to the classical five documents, perhaps prosecutors were waiting to find out where that document was in relation to that clip that we were playing that he was showing it to the reporter. What does it say . What do you make of the fact that this document was nowhere to be found . It was basically bouncing around between florida and new jersey before it was ultimately handed over to the National Archives. Was that the reason why the superseding indictment came late in the game . First consider this. The government not only needed to find a document, they needed to authenticate it. And remember, the document was apparently rustled in waved a round at least according to the audio. So the only way you authenticate it presumably and im just drawing inferences is the other people in the room. We have to manage and how that went down right . Is this document, well have about this, when was at this one . They must have gone through at least a stack until whoever was in the room and saw the document, hey you know what . That looks like the one that i saw in the office. This is just me guessing and how they authenticated document. Your inferring that they know who is in the room with the president that they were able to authenticate the document . Theres even more to that. They had to be close enough to the president to even see that document waving around, or he may have handed it to them. In order to authenticate it im not showing you the back of, you have to be able to see. You have papers in front of you know. Could daniel and i authenticate those months from now . I dont think. So that means that somebody had to be pretty certain enough for the government to put an indictment that they sought and recognize it, maybe in context or whatever. The second part of your question. Of course, of course that this was in the news that trump made a public denial. The governments human. Its staffed by humans, and when you get out there and say things like, that wasnt the document you are thinking about. I was wrestling round emmanuel or newspaper something else. They are going to say, okay i see a, bluffing of going to raise you on that one. I probably have my Poker Terminology way off, i dont play poker. Theres a lot to read between the lines of this new document indictment. Katie, id like to pivot to jack smith for a moment kuhns Election Interference probe. We know the grand jury in d. C. Met for seven and a half hours on thursday. What more do they need to do before deciding on charges or not . What are you hearing from your sources about where this process goes from here . Sure, so the process is important to understand. Keep in mind, its not the Justice Department than indites donald trump, itll be the grand jury. So eventually at some point a team ago before the grand jury, the prosecutors will say, this is the indictment, this is the case we wish to make. Do you agree with us, would you vote yes . They will walk the grand jury through their arguments and then the grand jury will have ample opportunity to ask questions. Oftentimes grand jurys move quickly especially in a case thats very straightforward. This case could have several complications that we talked about them before, First Amendment complications, complications around the fact that donald trump never really went to the capitol that day, et cetera. Also the grand jury will want to keep in mind that they could be loving serious charges against a former president. The Question Period could take a while. It could take longer than usual. If i were a grand juror in this instance, i would want to ask many, many questions before i would feel comfortable voting to indict a former president. Also, keep in mind that the Justice Department did meet with trumps lawyers last week and they are going to want to incorporate any information there was even those lawyers. If the lawyers were doing their job, they went in there and try to make every strong case that they could for why the Justice Department should not indict donald trump and if he couldnt do that they, would want to introduce new evidence, perhaps new witnesses, new thinking to the Justice Department not the department have to digest and consider before going on with the process of indicting a crime. Rick, im sure youve seen the Staggering Number that trump and his pac has spent more than 40 million in legal cost this year for himself and others. But that number in perspective for us. How Many Campaign ads cannot pay for . How crazy is that some in general politics . This guy is running for president , youre almost a year out, year more, and he is burning through money at a staggering rate of 40 million just for legal fees . Look, 40 million is more than every other campaign except ron desantis and donald trump of race. That would buy him about three weeks of advertising in the early primary states. It could go an awful long way to ramping up places where he is weak. But what it is being used for is being diverted to donald trump. As we have said for years, this guys most successful business was bulking moderate voters out of ongoing email scam. Thats what hes still running on. He says things like, this is for my reelection. No, its for his Legal Defense fees. And the burn rate that he is experiencing from legal costs really does indicate the depth and severity of his problems and the multi Variant Problem that he faces with all these prosecutions and all these different states and domains, because he is clearly a guy who if this was not the case, they could be talking to donald trump from a Non Extradition Company if you didnt have the string of revenue. Danielle, some are saying this is a grift for him. His campaign as russia says Campaign Donation emails that he sends to folks in this country work hard for his money. He doesnt care. Hes getting five, intend all are donations from people who support, nominees diverting that right into his own Legal Defense fund. I mean, you look and you listen to these people in the honestly believe that donald trump is still the president of the united states. They believe that they are doing their patriotic duty by listening to this man who is a liar. Who is telling them that i need your five and 10 because thats what a patriot doesnt order to stand up to this country. Biden is a socialist. This is what they are saying so they believe him. 30 of the country believes donald trump is telling them the truth. Doesnt matter how many indictments come down. The indictments are also actually making him stronger in terms of the polls, but to people who live like us sitting here in those watching at home, we know the actual truth. I appreciate the alien reference, given the week that weve had its normal. I guess we learned that there were aliens, but didnt even make that much news because weve been tied up with donald trump. Even to Say Something really quick about the aliens about donald . Trump the aliens i love, but i dont have as a dc comics reference, attorney what earth when shes talking about. Im beyond the scope. Bernie preceded ve