Womans world cup with five days of practice before a touch match in the knockout stages. Good day, everyone. Im Andrea Mitchell in washington. All eyes are on the u. S. Courthouse a few blocks from here where the grand jury examining former President Trumps alleged role in attempting to overturn the 2020 election is meeting today. Another Trump Indictment is potentially imminent, according to the former president himself. Joining me now, andrew weissmann. Former fbi counsel, of course. Talk to us about, what is imminent . What are the signals . Aside from donald trump saying on truth social, expecting it and his lawyers have been brought in and he did get a Target Letter on july 18th. Right. The fact that he got a Target Letter means that it is highly likely that they are going to charge, particularly in a case like this where its so high profile. We were all waiting i was waiting to hear the defense met with the prosecutors to make an effort. Thats also a clear sign. That always happens with good prosecutors, that you give the Defense Lawyers the opportunity to be heard. I fully expect if its not today, its going to be thursday. I would strongly suspect it would be today, unless theres some witness or witnesses who the grand jury really needs to hear from. The reason for that is that jack smith clearly understands the clock. He clearly understands that in order to bring a case before the general election if you want it before the general election, you need to bring it. So as soon as it is ready, you can be sure that he is going to bring it. So the key thing im looking for in addition to are there charges is who is the assigned judge. Thats going to tell us pretty much everything about the timing of when this case would go to trial. Just to drill down on that for a second, andrew, because the judges in d. C. , the federal judges are very experienced with this. They have been hearing numerous cases of the lower targets here, the people who were involved in january 6 itself. Theres a possibility here, this is not just donald trump. This could be some of Donald Trumps alleged coconspirators. We dont know that yet. The universe, from all the people who worked around him in the white house, as well as those who were in his legal team, his outside legal team. Absolutely. That is a big Open Question as to whether there will be codefendants. You and i and others have talked a lot about the more codefendants, the harder to bring this to trial, especially if they are all in one case. You can imagine its possible we may see multiple cases where they have donald trump in one case and other people in another case. People who are sort of, i think, maybe worried about their fate today are people like john eastman, a lawyer who gave advice to the former president about what he could do in terms of overthrowing the election. Jeffrey clark, a particularly disloyal person at the Department Of Justice, who seems, by all accounts, to have been less than candid with his bosses and was willing to say the Department Of Justice opened a fraud investigation, even though many people have testified under oath that there was no fraud. Those two people, i think, must be very concerned about their fate today or this week in terms of whether they are charged. As you said, there could be other people, everything from mark meadows to Rudy Giuliani to lesser known names who could also be facing criminal charges as well. All remains to be seen as to how jack smith goes about those very difficult charging decisions. Andrew, stay with us. I want to bring in garrett haake, Jackie Alamani and ken dilanian. President trump releasing attacks. This morning, he has been quiet. A bunch of reposts this morning. Nothing new this morning. Trump world appears to be in a ready posture right now. I have talked to a couple people in and around the trump orbit who are anticipating something today. They operating on the same limited amount of information we have. They had a meeting between mr. Trumps attorneys and the special counsels office last thursday that got overshadowed by the superseding indictment in the Documents Case. Nothing in that meeting shook their broader belief that an indictment is coming. Its a matter of when. They and their allies have statements drafted, Talking Points ready to go. They have long expected he would be indicted in this case, whether its this week or next week, sort of immaterial. It could be today. This is, for them, certainly a hold your breath moment. Jack smiths low profile through the investigations has made him a top political target for trump and his Congressional Republican allies. Hold on, i want to bring in ken. You are a few blocks away at the Justice Department through the morning. We have seen some activity with the grand jury just now. Thats right. We have seen grand jurors come in today and report as they generally do on tuesday and thursday. We are two weeks to the day since former President Donald Trump announced to the world he got a Target Letter in this case. Thats one of the reasons we are on indictment watch. There are other reasons as well. One of the Big Questions would be, how would we learn about an indictment if its handed up by the grand jury today . It may well simply be that we get it like we do many other indictments that the Department Of Justice announces every day, via press release. With the indictment attached, because its not necessary that an indictment be sealed once its handed up by the grand jury, or it could be promptly unsealed if theres a reason to seal it. It is also a Standard Practice for Department Of Justice to notify a targets lawyers before they make public the fact of an indictment as a matter of courtesy. Theres also a long history of donald trump preempting the process and announcing things on truth social. Jack smith and his team are aware of that. To the extent theres an indictment today and they notify trumps lawyers, my bet is it wouldnt be with too much advance notice. They want to do a better job of controlling the narrative than, say, it happened in the maralago case when trump was the first to tell the word he had been indicted. Obviously, as andrew and others said, will there be codefendants . Will there be cooperators . Will anyone be arrested . All fascinating, dramatic questions that we are awaiting the answers to. Ken, we have heard from daniel barnes, our colleague at the courthouse, that the grand jurors were seen leaving coming downstairs to the cafeteria for lunch. Whether they finished their job or not, they are going to get a lunch break. Lets all wait on that. Jackie, we are talking about jack smiths very low profile throughout the investigations. We have not seen any maybe one Public Statement from him, my recollection. It has made him a top political target for the trump and Congressional Republican allies. Yeah, so low profile that willis says she doesnt think she would recognize him if he was sitting next to her. Shes getting ready to drop charges against the former president. What we know so far is this idea of trump attacks. The cost of providing protection to the people involved with the investigations into former President Donald Trump. The Justice Department spend 1. 9 million to pay marshalls to protect jack smith and members of his family. Of course, this is a big sum. Not uncommon when it comes to the people who have come under the limelight for leading the prosecutions into trump. We know that alvin bragg similarly, the Security Costs in the manhattan d. A. s office went up as well. There is some anticipation here that its only going to get worse once the indictment drops. Jack smith dropped the indictment against former President Trump and his codefendants last month in the maralago classified Documents Case. Theres a feeling that Security Precautions might need to be even greater when it comes to this indictment, just because of the loaded aspect of what jack smith is going to be uncovering. After all, this all started with the former president encouraging his supporters and allies to storm and attack the u. S. Capitol on january 6. Andrew, picking up on that, theres the issue of whether or not they find some criminal element of incitement. That is an Open Question. Whether theres a conspiracy to overturn the election. Whether the fake electors in one or more states are involved. Theres a wide range of what could be. Do you expect it to be a very detailed indictment if it comes down . The same level of detail we saw in the maralago indictment . Yeah. With respect to detail, theres no question that this is going to be what we used to call a speaking indictment. Its going to provide chapter and verse very much as you mentioned, andrea, that we saw in the Documents Case in florida. To doubt, we will learn additional details, even though obviously we know quite a bit from the january 6 committee. I think there will be a lot to dissect. With respect to the charges, a key thing that i think im looking for and others are wondering is whether the charges will include some kind of allegation with respect to the use of force. People may remember who have been monitoring this that the use of force is a necessary component if you bring a seditious conspiracy charge. Thats a charge thats been brought against the oath keepers, for instance, certain members of the oath keepers, and the proud boys. It does require that element of use of force. So it will be interesting to see whether jack smith and his team have that Connective Tissue of the white house to the actual use of force on january 6. The same thing with respect to insurrection charges, whether they have that ability to link up. I think theres no question that they will have an obstruction count. Thats something that has been brought against many people already at the foot soldier level. Its hard to imagine that with charges at that level that its not going to be brought against the alleged ringleader of the conspiracy. Lets not forget, folks, what we are talking about here in terms of history. Because if this indictment comes down and if its against donald trump, this would be the first time a former president would be charged, accused in a criminal indictment of trying to overturn an election. The first time in American History that that will ever have taken place. This is really the Biggest Issue facing the country and our politics and the former president himself. Thanks to everyone. Thanks to all of you for starting us off. How can the Fulton County investigation and jack smiths Special Counsel Investigation Avoid Colliding . Thats next when Andrea Mitchell reports is back in 60 seconds right here on msnbc. Are you tired of clean clothes that just dont smell clean . Downy unstopables inwash Scent Boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. If you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have Downy Unstopables inwash Scent Boosters. fan 1 there ya go thats what im talkin about josh allen is this your plan to watch the game today . hero fan uh, yea. I have to watch my neighbors Nfl Sunday Ticket. josh allen its not your best plan. But you know what is . Myplan from verizon. 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Shouldnt the state and federal teams know what witnesses are saying to one another so they are not blindsided . She said she doubted jack smith could pronounce her name right. There is going to be overlap. This has been a diagram with overlap between the two. We know both federal and local prosecutors have contacted the governor, the focus of Donald Trumps ire throughout 2020. They both contacted Secretary Of State raffensperger, who is on the other side of that phone call where trump demanded he find exactly enough votes to overturn his election defeat here in georgia. Fani willis has said she will pursue her own investigation. This is an investigation thats been going on for more than two years, long before jack smith started his. I can see why she is resolute in pursuing her own path right now. Nbc news obtained a copy of a very disturbing email that d. A. Willis received on friday. This was first reported by your paper the Atlanta Journal constitution. I will explain this. People need to know whats out there, what they doing to her. They called her the n word and, quote, said jim crow democrat whore. We have seen the Security Situation at the courthouse. Describe the atmosphere in atlanta and how shes keeping herself and her people safe, and keeping them on track. Its a very fraught environment to say the least. Local Law Enforcement officials have been preparing for a long time. They have been studying what happened in new york and miami and they have been talking with federal experts as well. This email goes to show you that the threats the level of threats and vitriol that shes facing with people calling her racial epithets and threatening her people, why staffers, many of them, working from home starting yesterday. Thank you so much. We appreciate your help today. Situational awareness. What tough poll numbers and the steady from Republican House investigaors mean for the president s reelection campaign. Thats next. 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