Building. Likely some of the same Law Enforcement officers who were out today providing protection for trumps appearance were also called upon on january 6th to defend the peaceful transfer of power from a Violent Mob Of Trump supporters. Brought there by the man who today was called on by a Magistrate Judge to answer to the four charges against him. Sitting just feet away from trump, as he entered his not guilty plea, was special counsel jack smith. The last time the two were in the same room was trumps previous arraignment in miami. According to the pool reporter, trump glanced briefly in smiths direction when he walked in but did not appear to make eye contact with him, nor did he appear to look at him again for the rest of the hearing. Trump in the courtroom today was stripped of the trappings of former office that he typically airigates to himself. Magistrate judge referred to him as mr. Trump, not president trump, as his fans including fox anchors refer to him. The judge advised trump of his rights and warned him in a stunning moment for those of us who were following along, that his pretrial conditions include not committing any other crimes. The judge also warned trump, quote, it is a crime to influence a juror. And that a violation could lead him to being held, pending trial. Yeah. That happened. The next hearing was set for august 28th before judge tanya chutkan, who will oversee the trial. It is expected the trail date will be set at that hearing. And counter to what trump and the right wing circus want you to believe, these indictments have nothing to do with trumps standing in the polls. Its about accountability. Accountability for actions that donald trump took of his own free will. Whether it was making Hush Money Payments before an election to hide an affair with a porn star, refusing to return National Security documents after leaving the white house, or in the case today, entering into a conspiracy to try to overturn the 2020 election and the will of the american voters. Joining me now is glenn kirschner, former federal prosecutor, andrew weissmann, former fbi General Counsel and former member of Robert Muellers special counsel investigation. And a former Senior Investigative counsel to the january 6th select committee. Thank you all for being here. This was an extraordinary day. I think we can all agree about that. Glenn, you were there. You were in the courtroom, i think you were in the overflow. Give us sort of a sense and a feel for how all of this played out. You know, for the most part, it was a relatively routine arraignment, but for the fact that a former president of the United States was being arraigned for trying to overthrough our democracy, not entirely ordinary there. I will tell you, joy, the first thing that caught my attention was even before the hearing started, i saw Evan Corcoran walk in. I dont know if theres been much talk about that, but Evan Corcoran is Donald Trumps lawyer who was compelled to testify about and in a very real sense, against donald trump because he was the one who infamously certified that all documents had been returned from maralago to the federal government and that was untrue, of course, the crime fraud exception trumped, no pun intended, the Attorney Client privilege, and he was forced to testify, undoubtedly incriminating his former client in that case. Donald trump, i was surprised to see him show up. I dont know if theres a saying, keep your friends close and your former lawyers who have testified against you in the grand jury closer. But whereas he recused himself, he conflicted himself off of the maralago documents case, he was in the courtroom, not announced as counsel of record, but sitting right there virtually shoulder to shoulder with donald trump. I found that interesting. And then from there, the other thing that i frankly enjoyed was when the magistrate delivered a message from judge tanya chutkan, saying the prosecutors will file in seven days. Their proposed trial date. The defense will file seven days thereafter their proposed trial date. On the 28th of august, just 25 days from now, judge chutkan will set a trial date. I think that sets the tone. It sets the agenda. And you know, judge chutkan, who i know from trying murder cases against way back in the day, she is strong. She is smart. She is fair. And shes no nonsense. I think donald trump may have met his match at Least Procedurally in judge tanya chutkan, who i think will give him a prompt and speedy trial. Really quick, to stay with you for a moment, the other thing we were on earlier with rachel and friends, that i thought was kind of interesting were the other judges who attended the hearing today. Can you talk a little bit about that . Yeah, there were some judges in the back of the courtroom. I heard the reporting too, joy, but from where i was, they didnt train the camera on that part of the courtroom, but i did hear that other judges showed up. I will even say in the overflow courtroom, senior judge hogan who i tried a lengthy rico trial in front of, was in there for a period of time. There were a lot of judges and other Magistrate Judges like Magistrate Judge faruky, who were coming and going to kind of keep tabs on what was happening. Not surprising. I think the whole courthouse was abuzz and certainly the security surrounding the courthouse was pretty significant, and it was a Press Presence outside the courthouse like i have never seen before. Fascinating stuff. Lets come back to the table here, andrew. Lets go through the things that, you know, a lot of times, how unusual some of these things were. The fact that a trial date was set, it was discussed, is that normal for this kind of hearing . No. To have this is as glenn said, usually a pretty pro forma thing. I was, to glenns point, i had the exact same reaction. Obviously, the government and the defense are very focused on the trial date. Its everything for the defendant, he wants to not have facts and law matter. He wants to just talk in adjectives and adverbs and characterize the evidence and say its all a witch hunt. He does not want a trial where people see facts and law. So for him, putting it off is everything. This trial and all trials. For the government, it is to get this into law before a jury and the public. So to me, the fact that the judge said this is the briefing schedule, and i am going to decide this on the first day you appear. You will all have an opportunity to be heard because you have papers you will submit, but the very first court date i am going to set a trial date. Terrible news, i think, the other thing i would expect because of that, the government i think before that date is going to be basically backing the truck up with discovery. I mean, i dont think theres going to be discovery disputes. It is going to be Everything Under The Sun because they need to show up and say its been done. Because they want to be ready and to tell the judge we have done everything we need to do. And they will be making a lot of good arguments about how much this defendant actually knows even before that discovery went out, because they have all the january 6th stuff. Well get into that in a minute. Also, proforma, yes or no, to warn the defendant dont commit any more crimes and dont even try tampering with the jurors. And saying, let me just tell you the most important thing, dont commit more crimes. I was waiting for that to be, let me just tell you the most important thing, you will be out on bond, means you have to show up at the next court appearance. Being out on bail is about needing to appear. It is it is a given, i mean, like you need to tell somebody, by the way, if you commit a crime while youre out on release, you can go back in. Thats exactly what happened to paul manafort. He obstructed, went to jail. So i dont know if this particular magistrate does that routinely, but let me say, i have never in my years as a prosecutor or Defense Lawyer ever heard that, and even for all of the mueller cases, never heard somebody say let me just single one thing out. But again, as we talked about, this is a defendant when you look at his rap sheet, he has been charged now with six counts of obstruction of justice, four here, two in florida, and hes got other crimes in florida and in manhattan. So you can understand the judge saying, i need to warn you about something because if you commit a crime while you are out on bail, guess what the remedy could be . Youre going to be awaiting trial inside a jail cell. Welcome to the show. This is your first appearance. I have to say, theres been a lot of talk about this being a solemn day and a grave day. I have to be honest, i admitted it on the previous show with rachel and our friends. I didnt feel solemn. Im being honest. If im being honest, i didnt feel solemn. It feels like donald trump has been subjected to such disparate treatment in his favor for 77 years of his life, whether its whether hes forced to pay taxes, not. Whether hes forced to abide by the rules that say you cannot profit from the presidency. That was not enforced. You could go on and on. And the arrogance of trying to eliminate the votes of people in seven United States. Seven states, and say were going to negate your votes, replace them with our electors. We didnt like your results. Were going to use ours. Thanks for playing. That was so arrogant, and the people who showed up on january 6th were so arrogant in feeling they could defecate in the capitol, tear the capitol apart, beat up Police Officers and commit crimes while livestreaming them and then go to their hotels. Get on planes and go home and wait a year to be prosecuted. All of it feels so incredibly arrogant to me. This felt like a day where we got justice just to see him humbled. Not called president trump, not given the weird deference that some in the media even give him. I thought it was a great day for america and i didnt feel solemn at all. But as somebody who investigated january 6th and was involved in that process of telling the country in great detail what happened that day and what was done to us, i wonder how this hearing struck you. I think the word that comes to mind is accountability. When we began our investigation, we decided we would follow the facts wherever they took. After we all left our families, came across the country, came to d. C. And fully invested ourselves, and what we wanted was to tell the American People what happened, who did what, and why they did it. Our report and our hearings i think did just that. And it gives me a big sense of pride to look how closely the indictment tracks the work of the committee. And i think what it shows, it validates work we did and shows we got it right, and i think now its up to the Justice Department to continue our work. Did anything in the indictment surprise you . I wouldnt say surprise, but i think it met expectations. I think it showed that jack smith has been thorough. It shows hes followed the evidence where its taken him and it shows its gone further than the committee. For example, the indictment included a reference to Vice President pences notes. Thats something new. So i think what well find out as more discovery is turned over and this case continues is that i would bet jack smith has even more under his sleeve preparing as he goes forward to trial. One of the great disappointments during the January 6th Hearings is that our former Vice President , mike pence, did not feel an obligation to his country to testify before that committee. Were going to leave that aside for a moment and talk more about him later. Lets bring in capitol hill correspondent Garrett Haake who was one of the few reporters whagot one of these precious spots inside the courtroom today for the arraignment. Give us some of the color, because one of the things i did find interesting, you know, and again, i thought was fitting, was the judge referring to trump as mr. Trump. And her seeming sternness as you described it earlier when we spoke with you. And also, the jack smith. Give us the full color. Well, i was struck by that too. The kind of inversion of the Power Dynamics that i think donald trump is used to. This is somebody who spent four years as president. When he walked in a room, everybody else stood up. Thats not the dynamic when youre a criminal defendant. Instead, hes ordered to stand to be sworn in, ordered to stand when the judge comes in. Hes responding to another person telling him where he can go and what he can do. Thats been the case in all the arraignments but it was notable today, the judge repeatedly referring to him as mr. Trump, not president trump, which is what hes used to in the environment in which he lives right now. That Power Dynamic i think was palpable. I have covered all three of these arraignments in the courtroom, and donald trump has gotten much more comfortable in this situation. In new york, he was sort of visibly nervous, he was tight, hunched over. He didnt look around the room. That was not the case today. Whats been so unusual, i mean, just the sheer bizarreness of what were talking about here, a third arraignment for a former president , is starting to feel at least a little bit routine for the person being arraigned. So all of that struck me about the Power Dynamic, and the jack smith element has been fascinating to me too, because the same dynamic existed in miami as existed today. Smith just a few feet away from donald trump, maybe 15 feet in this hearing room today. Trump clearly saw smith when he walked in the room. They were looking very much in the same direction. But after i think appearing to kind of note his presence, tried very hard in the 15 minutes before the judge actually started the hearing to look everywhere else in the room except at jack smith. Smith had no such issue. He was watching donald trump very closely. Every time he spoke, he was watching him, and he was clearly staring a the former president , the man he just charged with trying to overturn the election. When donald trump left with his Secret Service entourage, smith once again as he did after the hearing in miami, kind of worked the room, made a point to shake hands and clap shoulders and encourage and smile and even what appeared to be pretty junior members of his team. The way i described it earlier is smith seemed to be trying to create kind of a Home Game Atmosphere here for the special counsels office and the Justice Department that this may have been Donald Trumps city when he was president , but this is jack smith and the special counsels turf in this federal courthouse, and that was the feeling of being in the room today. Very quickly before i let you know, were any Family Members of trumps there . And have they been at any of these three hearings . No, and that has always stood out to me. This hearing, there was one staffer, the Press Secretary for donald trump, was in there along with Secret Service agents. Thats the first time i have even seen anyone from his campaign, but no members of his family have appeared at any of these arraignments. It stuck out to me over the course of the last few months. Thank you very much. You have that Golden Ticket and we appreciate you sharing the info with us. 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