Thanks alex. The Breaking News at this hour tonight is the astonishing news that Donald TrumpsCriminal Defense Lawyer, john lauro, who did a very solid and serious job in the courtroom today during Donald Trumps third criminal arraignment of the year, where donald trump once again pleaded not guilty, that lawyer then went On Television and any fact pleaded donald trump guilty to the charge of attempting to obstruct an official proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the United States. Everyone except donald trump knows the criminal defendants should not speak publicly about their cases. The same is almost always true for Criminal Defense Lawyers. The most common response from Criminal Defense Lawyers to requests for interviews about their pending cases is one word, no. Most successful Criminal Defense Lawyers never grant television interviews, never. Too many of Donald Trumps lawyers are too eager to talk on trump supporting television about their client. And so tonight trump Criminal Defense Lawyer john lauro, in his first interview after donald trump pleaded not guilty to conspiring to trying to get Vice President mike pence to break the law, Donald TrumpsCriminal Defense Lawyer actually said this. Professor eastman laid out a series of options that we discussed with Vice President pence. Vice president pence disagreed on certain issues but ultimately a President Trump said is, lets go with option the, lets just halt, lets just pause the voting allow the State Legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether the elections were handled fairly. Oh i only wish the coal room had caught Andrew Weissmanns eyes widening at what he just heard here. That is a trump Criminal Defense Lawyer quoting donald trump committing a crime. Don trumps Criminal Defense Lawyer tonight added information to special prosecutor jack smiths 42page description of Donald Trumps crimes. The conversation that John Laurel First described appears on pace 34 of the indictment against his client client. The diamond describes that conversation is a con criminal conspiracy. The version of that conversation that Donald TrumpsCriminal Defense Lawyer delivered tonight is every bit as criminal as the version that appears in the indictment. On page 34 of the indictment it says, On January 4th, the defendant, don trump held a meeting with Coconspirator John Eastman. The Vice PresidentChief Of Staff, and the Vice President s counsel for the purpose of convincing the Vice President , based on the defendant, Donald Trumps knowingly false claims of election fraud, that the Vice President should reject or send to the states bidens legitimate electoral votes rather than count them. That criminal conduct described in that sentence was admitted tonight On Television by Donald TrumpsCriminal Defense Lawyer. The indictment has more about that meeting. Quote, during the meeting, as reflected in the Vice President s contemporary us notes, the defendant, donald trump, made no knowingly false claims of election fraud, including, bottom line, when every state by hundreds of thousands of votes and, we won every state. The defendant, known trump, and Coconspirator John Eastman then asked the Vice President to either unilaterally reject the legitimate electors from the seven targeted states or send the question of which state was legitimate, which slate was legitimate, to the targeted states legislatures. In a shockingly incompetent slip, to put it mildly, On Television tonight, Donald TrumpsCriminal Defense Lawyer actually emitted to that accusation in the indictment. Donald trumps lawyer, you just heard, and don trumps lawyer said tonight On Television, what President Trump said is, lets go with option b. Lets just halt. Lets just pause the voting and allow the State Legislators to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections are handled fairly. That is essentially what jack smith is accusing donald trump of having said. The indictment says that when Vice President mike pence challenged john eastman on the legality of that idea in that meeting, quote, Coconspirator John Eastman responded, well nobodys tested before. The Vice President and told the defendant, don trump, did you hear that . Even your own counsel is not saying i have that authority. The defendant, no trump responded, thats okay, i prefer the other suggestion, of the Vice President rejecting the electors unilaterally. Don trumps Criminal Defense Lawyer tonight On Television in effect admitted that the indictment is an accurate description of that meeting. Professor eastman laid out a series of options that were discussed with Vice President pence. Vice president pence disagreed on certain issues. But ultimately what President Trump said is, lets go with option b. Lets just halt, lets just pause the voting and allow the State Legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections were handled fairly. Wow. John eastman knew that it would be a crime to do that. And john eastman said in writing that it would be a crime to do that. What don trump was asking mike pence to do. And went on trumps Criminal Defense Lawyer tonight admits On Television the donald trump was asking mike pence to do. The pause The Don Trumps Criminal Defense Lawyer says don trump was asking for was a crime and it was the very last crime the donald trump and his coconspirators asked Vice President to commit. They asked him to commit the crime many times. But the very last time Donald Trumps coconspirators asked mike pence to commit that crime was not before mike pence went to the capitol on january six to preside over Electoral College vote count ceremony. It was at 11 44 pm on january 6th, after the trump mob attacked the capitol, attacked Police Officers, said they wanted to attack mike pence, so they wanted to kill nancy pelosi. After the was capitol under attack for hours on end with trump doing nothing to stop it, hours after the trump criminal mob was driven out of the Capitol Building and in the middle of a congresss continuation of the official process of counting the electoral votes, at 11 44 pm, john eastman put his latest criminal proposal in writing and admitted in writing at the time that it was a crime. Page 42 of the indictment says at 11 44 pm, coconspirator to john eastman emailed the Vice President s counsel advocating that the Vice President violate the law and seek further delay of the certification. John eastman wrote i, employer you to consider one more relatively minor violation of the electoral count act and adjourn for ten days to allow the legislatures to finish their investigations. John eastman, in that email, called the crime that he was urging the Vice President to commit, a relatively minor crime. A relatively minor violation of law. There he is, in writing, admitting that its a violation of law and tonight don trumps Criminal Defense Lawyer said, On Television, The Don Trump urged mike pence to commit that violation of law. What President Trump said is, lets go with option the, lets just halt, lets just pause the voting and allow the State Legislatures to take one last look and make a determination as to whether or not the elections were handled fairly. Weve invited on trumps criminal fence lawyer lawyer, john lauro to join us on the program tonight, and in any point in the future to discuss the crime that he admitted tonight, that his client committed, and then aspect of the case that he may still be reckless enough to talk about On Television. Some Criminal Defense Lawyers have significant experience talking On Television. John lauro was not one of them. He began his National Television exposure this week. After his client was indicted. He offered easily dismissed lame defenses of donald trump saying don trump had a First Amendment right to advocate committing crimes and that when donald trump was saying those things he was saying them on the advice of his lawyer, john eastman, another easily dismissal defense. John eastman being a coconspirator in the conspiracy. But it sounded like the only saying that john lauro could say if he was gonna do television interviews. The Wisest Course for john laurel was to say nothing and to leave the Public Relations to donald trump. But today on the single most important day of his life as a lawyer, as he stood next to a former president of the United States being arraigned for federal crimes in washington, d. C. , in the full throes of the excitement of the day, john laurel decided to do one more tv interview. And in that interview with a Friendly Network he made the single biggest public mistake a criminal offense lawyer can possibly make. He offered a quoted version of his client speaking in a conversation already labeled criminal in the indictment that his client was facing, and he thought that he was clever enough to Quote Donald Trump saying something that was going to get donald trump off the hook. Instead john lauro hooked donald trump in the same way the jack smiths indictment does. I have never seen a moment like this, with a Criminal Defense Lawyer. Never. It is inconceivable that john lauro could get this far into this case and somehow believe what john eastman says in writing, that he never believed, john eastman says he never believed, that it was legal for mike pence to pause the counting of electoral votes. John lauro had a completely competent and professional first day in court with donald trump. I read the transcript of it. He was flawless in the courtroom. And then he went on tv. And blew the case. John lauro, remember, is many thousands of times brighter than donald trump. But he still not smart enough to answer a Fox Performers easy questions about on trump. So manage a donald trump trying to answer questions in his own defense, on a Witness Stand, under oath, be crossexamined by jack smiths criminal trial team. John lauro trying to make sense of what donald trump was saying to mike pence could not get through a fox tv conversation about it without further incriminating donald trump. Dont trump would do much worse than john lauro, answering questions under oath about what he said to mike pence. Don trump was under oath today for the first and probably the last time in this case. Deputy clerk, mr. Trump, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that you will well and truly answer all questions propounded to you, so help you god. The defendant, i do. Don trump survived is under oath questioning today because he wasnt asked much more than his name at his age. On that second question his age, he gave an odd answer. The court, mr. Trump, how old are you . The defendant, 77. Apparently don trump is uncomfortable with his age, so accountability doesnt like to say 77. Imagine for just a moment, if joe biden ever answered the question how old are you the way donald trump did today, the network where john lauro was trying to defend on trump would Accused Biden of being mentally capable of serving as president. If you ever answered the way the question the way don trump did, under oath, in that courtroom todayy. We have a lot of legal ground to cover tonight, especially with this Breaking News and our team of lawyers is here, including one who was in the courthouse in washington today, leading off our discussion tonight is Andrew Weissmann, former fbi General Counsel and former chief of the Criminal Division in the Eastern District of new york. Hes a professor in practice at nyu law school. Also glenn kirschner, former fellow current prosecutor who was at the courthouse today. Both msnbc legal analysts. Glenn kirschner, let me start with you, as our eyes and ears to everything that happened in that room. I read the transcript and i have to say, john lauro delivered when i read to be the single best performance by a trump lawyer in the courtroom yet. No wiseguy comments about the prosecutions. No nasty sleazy remarks or slight here and there. Just professional all the way through. We and then he goes on fox and throws the case away. But take us into the courtroom. Yes, its not that hard to be professional during an arraignment because generally nothing earth shattering happens. But i agree all parties performed well. But what i really enjoyed about watching, even though i was in the overflow courtroom, it was the specter of judge Tanya Chutkan hung over that proceeding. The proceeding was conducted by a Magistrate Judge. Thats not unusual. The Magistrate Judges often handle the relatively straightforward, low level, preliminary matters like an arraignment. But boy, when the Magistrate Judge said the prosecution will file a brief in seven days with their proposed trial date, and how long they believe their case in chief will last, and the defense will file up reply seven days thereafter with their proposed trial date. Thats when john lauro got a bit excited, because not once, not twice but three times he tried to argue, judge, judge we cant possibly give you a proposed trial date because we dont know how much discovery the prosecution is going to deliver to us, but when the Magistrate Judge followed up with a pretty stern response, she said, you will file a proposed trial date, and then there will be a hearing 25 days from now. August 28th, at which time judge chutkan will set a trial date. That is unusual. Its not surprising knowing the judge that judge chutkans. I tried murder cases against with her when she was a public defender. I was a Decision Attorney in d. C. Trying homicide cases. It wasnt surprising but it was unusual because ordinarily at these arraignment hearings, where the Magistrate Judge will do is say, lets all come back in about a month and we will bring our calendars and will begin to ruminate about possible job. It no. Judge chutkan will be setting a trial date 25 days from now. I predict its going to be a speedy trial. Andrew weissmann, to the point that we learned from john lauro tonight, hes offering an alternative piece of dialogue to what appears in the indictment. Hes offering us these words from Donald Trumps mouth. What President Trump said is, lets go with option b, lets just halt, lets just pause the votin