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MSNBCW Chris July 4, 2024

Dead. Well have the latest in just a minute. The biggest oneday strike to hit los angeles in a generation is under way right now. Everyone from mechanics to Traffic Officers are walking off the job. The latest in the series of union labor actions that disrupted the city in recent months. Well explain what it is all about and whats next coming up. We start, though, with former President Donald Trump and federal prosecutors locking horns over what will be one of the central themes of his upcoming federal trial. The right to free speech. Right now the legal teams from both sides are under orders to agree on a hearing date to hash out the scope of a protective order which would set ground rules for what Evidence Trump can and cant disclose. Last night, his Team Rejected the governments original proposal to restrict everything it hands over, arguing that would violate trumps First Amendment rights. Instead, trumps attorneys proposed more narrow limits for only genuinely sensitive materials. Three hours later, the government responded, arguing bluntly, quote, the defendants proposed order would lead to the public dissemination of Discovery Material. Indeed that is the defendants stated goal. The defendant seeks to use the Discovery Material to litigate this case in the media. I want to bring in nbcs Vaughn Hillyard in wyndham, New Hampshire, where donald trump will be speaking later today. Joyce vance, former u. S. Attorney, Law Professor at the University Of Alabama and msnbc legal analyst, and matthew dowd, msnbc senior political analyst. So, vaughn, these big two developments here, the grand jury meeting today and this dispute over the protective order. What can you tell us about where we stand on both . Reporter right, donald trump right now has two teams. A Campaign Team that is putting on events like this, a rally in New Hampshire slated to begin in just over an hour and then his Legal Defense team, which is actively working per the judges order to confer with the prosecutors, from the special counsels office, to come up with a two different times in which they can go before the judge to deliberate over the protective order. And she can have a hearing and hear both sides arguments based off the filings that came in last night. The extent to which a protective order should be applied to donald trump and the extent to which he can discuss discovery and evidence that is turned over as part of the discovery process. Thats all supposed to come down by 3 00 here today. The second part of this is the development from the d. C. Courthouse, our producer there says that the d. C. Grand juror that issued the indictment, that theyre convening again here this afternoon. What could that mean . Whether or not the six coconspirators identified as part of the charges against donald trump, those individuals were not named, and to our understanding they have not been told that they are targets of the investigation here at this point. But there is also potential that additional witnesses could be heard from, but what we know is that this investigation from jack smith and the special counsels office into the efforts to overturn the 2020 election are not over. Vaughn, thank you so much for that reporting. Well be sure to see lots of you this afternoon. So, joyce, pull on that thread for us and why you think the Federal Grand Jury would be meeting again today. We heard vaughn lay out some possibilities. Right, so, vaughn is absolutely right here. While prosecutors cant continue to investigate and amass more evidence on the charges they already brought, they can continue to look at additional defendants or additional charges against the defendant who has already been indicted, donald trump. It is likely to center on both of those, but it is a good bet they continue to look at the six unindicted coconspirators. Joyce, when it comes to the protective order, trump says this is about his right to speak. The government says, no, this is about him wanting to, quote, publicly disseminate and publicize in the media material obtained from the government. They say he doesnt have a right to do that. Is this a Free Speech Question . Were not talking about a gag order. No, this is not a First Amendment or free speech sort of issue. And i think it is hard to oversell from a prosecutors Point Of View how unusual it is to see this sort of prolonged quibbling over a protective order. Protective orders are used in many cases to protect discovery and the d. C. Local rules clarify the understanding lawyers have about what happens when the government turns over discovery in a criminal case. You have to protect witnesses and you have to protect the integrity of the process. So it is entirely ordinary to prevent a defendant from fullon Public Disclosure of the evidence in advance of trial. It is pretty easy to understand how in a case like this with donald trump, he might take, for instance, a sentence. Hes asked about recordings, he wants them exempted from the protective order. Maybe a recording of something a witness says out of context, play it widely, which could impact the integrity of a future jury pool, it could leave that witness to be exposed to harm. It is very clear that there will be a protective order in this case at some point. The question is how much delay the trump camp will get ahead with first. Now, even the trump teams motion has political references. While arguing that trumps opponents have campaigned on the indictment, they say President Biden has likewise capitalized on it, Posting A Thinly Veiled reference to his administrations prosecution of President Trump, just hours before the arraignment. They show this image of the tweet here, showing biden Drinking Coffee with a link to his campaign website. Why bring politics into a legal motion . Thats all they do. Donald trump, it is all he does is bring politics into a legal motion. As i listen to this debate about whether or not his First Amendment rights, it is important to note that donald trump doesnt want to try this case in a courtroom. He wants to try this case in the court of gop public opinion. He knows hes effective in the latter and not the former in the course of this. Theyre going to bring politics, theyre going to try to bring joe biden, i think jack smith is going to keep his nose down and say were going to try this in court, were going to try this in court, were going to try this in court and donald trump does not want to try this in court. They want to try in the court of gop public opinion. The trump team says the court can and should limit its protective order to genuinely sensitive materials, a less restrictive alternative that would satisfy any Government Interest in confidentiality while preserving the First Amendment rights of President Trump and the public. As our own ken dilanian points out, the judge has to figure out what is sensitive and whats not. That could take up a lot of time, right . Still is that a reason to reject what the team is asking for . So there may be some balancing here. Perhaps there is some i dont want to say middle ground, but perhaps some of trumps arguments about reducing the reach of the protective order will find merit in the judges eyes. But by and large the issues here that involve protecting witnesses and protecting the process mean that defendants arent entitled to take materials that they received from the government in discovery, and use them in public. But, you know, when you can use that evidence in public is during a trial. And so it is a little bit ironic that trumps lawyer john lauro went on tv Sunday Morning and said, it is critical that trump be able to use this information, this evidence so the public knows whats there. If that is your view, there is a pretty easy solution for the problem, go ahead and streamline the proceedings and go to trial. Then the public will know precisely what the evidence is. Well, matthew, politically speaking here, how much is at stake for trump, especially if hes prohibited from discussing everything the state hands over . How important is his megaphone to him . The megaphone is him. They are the exact same thing. He knows that, he understands that. This is how he has been able to be effective among gop voters over the course of the last eight years in this. Donald trump did Say Something truthful in the course of this, when he said something about indict me One More Time and ill have this election wrapped up. In many ways, that is correct for the gop primary. And so i think donald trump has been given a megaphone in this already. Hes used it in the course of this. The only question is do you want to give him a megaphone, simultaneously with the ability to influence or pressure witnesses or the jury . And thats, i think, the question. Joyce, one last question before we let you go about the classified documents case in florida. On monday, judge Aileen Cannon raised eyebrows when she disclosed the existence of an out of District Grand Jury to investigate and questioned why it is necessary. What is going on here . This is an unusual setting where the government has asked for a garcia hearing. Thats a hearing where the government and the defense go into the courtroom with the defendant, in this case, walt nauta, and they put it on the record, the facts that show the defendants lawyer has a conflict. In this case, the government says nautas lawyer represented, may even currently represent some of the witnesses that they will call at trial. So that lawyer would be in the position of crossexamining his own current or former clients. That can create a Conflict Of Interest situation. I think we can all readily understand that. In a situation like that, the government needs to make a record in case an Appellate Court needs to consider the facts and the judge has the opportunity to ask that defendant if they wish to wave the conflict and go ahead with their lawyer. If that procedure isnt followed, it is a pretty straight up argument that a defendant would have on appeal to reverse any conviction that is obtained. You see legally how confusing this is. The government makes this very legitimate request and just Out Of The Blue seemingly in her order the judge orders defendant nauta and gives the other defendants, trump and the other Trump Organization employee, the opportunity to respond to whether or not it is appropriate for the government to be using the grand jury, presumably the grand jury in the district of columbia, we dont know for sure, she doesnt specify, whether thats an appropriate thing for the government to be doing. The short answer is that it is entirely appropriate for the government to do that. The odd thing is why the judge, who herself is a former prosecutor, would be raising that at this point in the context of this garcia hearing motion. Joyce vance, thank you so much. Matthew dowd, youre going to stick with us. Canceled flights, downed trees and severe thunderstorms. Millions of Americans Still in the path of Extreme Weather. Plus, President Biden heading out west today to showcase his administrations work on conservation and clean energy. What the white house is saying in 60 seconds. What the white house is saying in 60 seconds. Another wave of Extreme Weather is hitting the country today with millions at risk. After monday marked the second busiest storm day this year with more than 600 storms recorded. The unrelenting weather leaving at least two people dead and wiping out power for more than half a Million People across the southeast. See for yourself. Forceful winds in maryland pulling down power lines. Storms knocking down trees, barreling into peoples homes and blocking streets. And ominous funnel cloud twisting and turning in new york state. These are just a few examples of what blew out travel plans for thousands yesterday. Just take a look at the lines for canceled or delayed flights in georgia. One passenger says they were stuck at the Atlanta Airport for more than 27 hours. I want to bring in gary grumbach. There arent enough bloody marys in an airport to help make 27 hours feel okay. On a more serious note here, there is a lot of activity going on behind you. Crews working. What is going on there . Reporter it is cleanup day here in westminster, a very careful cleanup day. I want to show you the scene as we speak here. There are crews up there on a Cherry Picker with power saws trying to get a broken power line off of the middle of a very busy intersections power lines. Were in westminster, mare, a half hour north of baltimore. This is what you may have seen online with the pictures of all those downed power lines. Here is what the impact was of that. You see this car underneath a downed power line. 35 cars look just like this one, up and down baltimore boulevard. Were talking about 33 adults that were impacted here. 14 children. Luckily nobody was seriously injured. But they were stuck in their cars for five or six hours. And think about this, youre driving down your road, you run a red light here and a power line comes down on your car. You then have to figure out what youre going to do. You cant get out, because the power lines are live. So we have Emergency Crews coming through the area, during the five hours, throwing water from the sidewalk into peoples cars to be able to get them something to drink. They did get them out overnight. Theyre all safe now. Heres what governor wes moore of maryland had to say. This is going to take some time to fix. The damage from last night is significant. And it will take time to make sure that we are getting everything done but know we plan on staying coordinated, we plan on staying focused, and know that we are going to get this done. Reporter now, this is not going to be an easy cleanup. Not a quick cleanup as the governor just said. What youre seeing here is going to take days and days to clean up. This is a major thorough fare in the middle of westminster, maryland. This is something they want to clean up as quickly as possible. You see dozens of crews out up and down the street making it happen. Lindsey . That image i have of people trapped in their cars because of the live wires. Incredible. Gary, thank you for bringing that to us. Also with us, nbc meteorologist michelle grossman. When can we expect this Extreme Weather to let up . Hey, lindsey. Great to see you. We continue to see stormy weather, steamy too. That dangerous heat continues across the south. Yesterday, baseballsized hail, winds over 70 miles per hour, some tornadoes. Stormy day yesterday. Storms continuing today, although much less. 7 Million People at risk today. Could see very large hail, two inches or greater. Winds gusting over 60 miles per hour, a chance of a few tornado as well. This is the main area throughout the central plains, parts of the rockies, parts of the tennessee valley, the southeast as well, especially where you see that yellow shading. Thats the likeliest chance of seeing some of those storms. Seeing some really heavy rain. Thats going to be a concern as we go throughout this tuesday. Where you see the brighter colors, thats why youre seeing the heaviest rain falling. It is not just in the central plains, but youre seeing heavy rain falling. Thats in the northeast. Tomorrow, notice that number grows to 15 million at risk for Severe Weather. Thats mainly in portions of the midwest, into the tennessee valley. Nashville, paducah, st. Louis, springfield, Strong Storms. Winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour. Hail and a few tornadoes. This is what it looks like in terms of rainfall. A lot of the country seeing rain over the next couple of days. Locally three inches where you see the brighter colors. Into new england too, the same storm system that brought that Rain Yesterday and kind of getting hung up there, brings Flooding Rains throughout today. Tomorrow, locally four inches or greater. Could see two inches per hour in some spots. Because of that, we have a Flash Flood Risk where you see the pink, thats the greatest risk. Thats maine, New Hampshire and vermont. Thats a big concern as we go throughout the afternoon. Here is the setup to the west. An area of low pressure, ejecting out of the rockies. Going to bring the Strong Storms to portions of the rockies, the plains, the southeast. And then tomorrow, look what happens, zips across the plains, well see the Severe Weather risk from oklahoma to tennessee and also the chance for really heavy rain as well. Thats the stormy side. Now we have the steamy side. 52 Million People at risk across the south. Excessive Heat Warnings for austin, new orleans, tallahassee, miami. Were going to see temperatures into the 100s, into the 90s. Some spots factor in the

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