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Of, him and Breaking News out of georgia, a fourth Trump Indictment could come as early as tuesday. We have more details in just a moment, plus ron desantis suspends another elective prosecutor in a move divided as politically motivated this as his Campaign Continues to implode. And the chair of the House Oversight Senate Committee says the vote to impeach joe biden even though he has found zero evidence of wrongdoing by the president. What a sad State Of Affairs for republicans. Im Ayman Mohyeldin lets get, started. Tonight we begin this hour with Breaking News. Former georgia Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan, a republican has confirmed to the Atlanta Journalconstitution that he is set to testify before a Fulton County District Attorney fani willis is granary on. Tuesday that information sheds more light on previously reporting from nbc news that, willis whos investigating trumps alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 Election Loss in georgia will start to present her case to the grand jury on monday. The new Development Means that we could see charges against trump and possibly others announced as early as tuesday evening, sources tell the guardian that willis has enough evidence to charge multiple allies of the ex president. Prosecutors believe they have sufficient evidence for a racketeering case. And that stands to reason. Given the scope of her investigation. First there is trumps attempts to pressure local officials into overturning the election results. That includes the now infamous call he made to Secretary Of State brad raffensperger. During which, trump told him he wanted raffensperger to find enough votes to reverse his loss. And then there is the fake elector scheme. The harassment of local election workers and the ballot fraud lies pushed by former trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Finally, willis and her team have been looking into less reported matters, in some cases extend beyond Fulton County. Stretching to rural coffee county. 200 miles southeast of atlanta where trump allies and contractors working on their behalf breached the Election System in the first week of 2021. After a two and a half year investigation, it seems that we have now reached the end point. Williss office has subpoenaed george who says he also will appear before the grand jury on tuesday you may recall on December 14th of 2020, she stumbled upon a meeting of the republican Fake Electors at Georgia State capital nbc news reports to other officials have been subpoenaed. Former state senator john jordan and state representative bee nguyen. Both attended hearings where Rudy Giuliani had urged officials not to certify the Georgia Election results based on debunked conspiracy theories. No word yet on whether jordan or women have been called to appear before the grand jury. Consider the scene outside the Fulton County courthouse. The road in front of the building has been closed to traffic. Metal barriers lined the street officers from both the sheriffs emotions are if us have a visible presence there. Now, it might be tempting to think that this is just another indictment, fani williss case actually differs from special counsel jack smiths investigation in many ways. One key way. The New York Times puts it if trump were to be convicted in a federal prosecution he could theoretically pardon himself, although theres questions about that, if you are reelected as president. President s do not hold such sway instate matters. So even if trump wins reelection next, year he will still have to face justice in georgia. Theres no escaping accountability at the state level if he is charged and ultimately convicted dirty me, now Kurt Bardella democratic strategist and former House Oversight Committee Spokesperson for republicans. Also the l. A. Times contributor. Kara lynn, the legal am analyst and a former prosecutor, basil s mike, a prosecutor and former executive director of the New York State democratic party. Director of the Public Policy program at the roosevelt House Institute of hunter college. Carol i will start with you you heard my intro there into fani willis. She is reportedly planning to charge multiple people, it gives us a sense of might what she might be charging them with including the form of racketeering rico charges, rico laws require prosecutors that a group of people conspired to take part in organized criminal activity gimme your thoughts on this as a possible legal strategy, how using those kinds of charges is different from what jack smith is doing. Even in that case and we know there is martha multiple coconspirators but only trump is the one that is currently being indicted fani willis has said that shes very interest in the rico statute. Shes very comfortable with it. Shes used it before and she studied it very hard. And thats all very important. When you have these types of statutes that are unique you want to make sure that you can anticipate all the motions and all the defenses that will be brought up against them. Now, the original rico statute, the racketeering statute, was a federal one. It exists. It was created to address really Organized Crime. Where you had a cop oh you had the head of the Organized Crime family. The reason the rico statues was brought into existence was because an organized Crime Association we do all kinds of different crimes they would do some extortion. They would be murderers they would lie to the government there had to be some way to pull that altogether into a single case because if you just charged one case of extortion or one case of Murder A Judge may not let those be tried together. So it was really to deal with the organization. There is nothing in the statute, and either the federal statute or the Georgia Retro Statute that you can only use it for Organized Crime. Its been extended to be used against gang crimes as well. So, there are reasons to use rico that are helpful to the prosecution. You can often get more evidence in of the broader conspiracy jack smith probably didnt think it was necessary to use that. Because he had enough tools at his disposal. Fani willis likes to use the statute. Theres nothing that says she cant use it. It does carry a higher and more severe penalty. At least a five year minimum mandatory sentence. Its a very important statute. And she wants to use it. To pick up on carrolls point, who do you think should be sweating right now. If you were to think of a short list of names, some president s have name drop people like Rudy Giuliani, for what he did and the role he played in this. Others have gone so far to suggest senator Lindsey Graham could be in some jeopardy, who will you have your eye on this coming week,. Im going to have my eye on Rudy Giuliani. There are so many new yorkers who are talking a lot about how far this mayor has fallen thats. One thing the other thing certainly donald trump i think this point about using the rico statute is really really important because, as was said just a moment ago, yes the intention initially was bombs in gangs. Fani willis and a consultant that she has working with her, they were involved in prosecuting the atlanta cheating scandals. The key here they wanted to have the ability to make sure that they pulled together the connected tissue that brought together the actors and their actions. For so many crimes in the past that we talked about ive always said that its of a conspiracy. You could not have had this level of engagement across the country with so many people involved speaking in the same way, with the same message about what happened after 2020 and is not be conspiratorial. It just couldnt happen organically with so many people. So im glad to see this happens if you have any question about what trump think about this he was in iowa it didnt seem to faze him at all and number of members of congress of florida introduced them to iowa voters. So, he should be the most scared it doesnt seem like he is at the moment. His supporters love that you, just to get my question that was going to ask her so perfectly. Kurt, trump has joked that one more indictments hes going to lock up the primary. He was, joking the truth is, polls indicate there could be a kernel of truth there. With every indictment from against him for what he did in 2020 hes gaining popularity with the republican base. It illustrates the kind of sad and dangerous reality that a totality of republican primary electorate is okay with the leader of their party wanting to so casually deconstruct democracy. Wanting to egg on an insurrectionist effort on january six a guy who has said that he hopes to heart pardon people who participated in the darkest day of our democratic process that weve ever had. I think so much about the republican base, this is a base that has put so much on the themes of faith family freedom every time theres a holiday involving a Military Recognition there the first ones flying the american flags on the f1 50s and the chevy Pick Up Trucks and yet the very thing that those Men And Women who have sacrificed everything, the very thing that they do that for is the thing that donald trump and his band of idiots try to destroy on january 6th. The cognitive dissidents here is on another level. The idea that they would somehow once again believe that the best case they can make to the American People for returning to power is to nominate the criminal Syndicate Leader in donald trump to do that, and the engineer that it just speaks volumes about how far gone this is this party is not really a political party. Its a whitecollar criminal organization. Let me talk to you about that little nugget i mentioned at the end of my introduction. Give me your thoughts on. And i said its possible that donald trump could pardon himself if he is convicted in the federal cases. If he is reelected. First of all, is that settled, is that definite that if he is president he could pardon himself, if not, does that make him much more worried about what happens in georgia . Should it make him more worried and his legal team more worried about what happens in georgia since he will have no power to pardon himself . So, the constitution is not clear about whether president can pardon himself. So, it puts yet one more we are not sure paid on the board here. Its an uncomfortable place for lawyers to be we like to be certain of it. Things this is an untested area. Can a president pardon himself. Which we do know, president s even if they could pardon themselves or if they were to pardon others they can, only do so for federal crimes or federal investigations. This of course, fani williss investigation, an incoming indictment is a State Indictment so the former president s, were to become president again cannot pardon himself from the state of georgias indictment. That is a very important. Jack smith, special counsels indictments, the federal indictments, if the former president or to become president again and pardon himself in those cases, if he pardoned himself there, even though the Department Of Justice theoretically could appeal that issue through the court system upset this ring, court remember it would be Donald Trumps Department Of Justice we dont know what would happen there. We can guess. There would probably be no appeal of that particular party. What do you think the likelihood of trump allies starting to flip on him are, like in the federal case he wouldnt be able to pardon them if he wins the white house again on a state level. Going back to the coconspirators in this case is there a chance that you see more willingness for them to flip on trump and cooperate. Im not an attorney i dont know the legal jeopardy they may be again given the evidence. I would say this. If you think about all the hundreds of individuals who were arrested and tried many of them convicted in are serving time because of what happened on january six. The one thing that has been common along all those individuals, they were not the ringleaders they were not the top gear of individuals that were pulling all of this together and trying to intimidate Election Officials intimidate Government Workers and trying to create false electors. The people with the resources, the people that have the power that can make those goals and make something happen on the ground, i have yet to really see the accountability at that level. My point in saying that, i hope that a number of the individuals who may or may not be named in this indictment, the folks who are close to the Decision Makers the Decision Makers themselves i do hope that they sort of stand the accountability up if you will i dont think what id window and see is folks not be held accountable, not to do jail time, and therefore you open the door for somebody to do this again. I dont know who could flip, i dont know who will flip i need to get some accountability on record. I think the American People deserve it. We can all agree on that point. Please stick around. Theres a lot more to discuss ahead. Donald trump, his dangers attacks on the Women Overseas Duds Tanya checkin we will talk about that. First, we do want to tell you about some Breaking News. Out of maui. The death toll from the wildfires have tragically risen to 80, making it the deadliest wildfire in that states history. Now the countys mayor says the number of could go up. 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