This morning we are an indictment watch, possibly gianna times for fourth indictment. Fulton county d. A. Fani willis who is investigating the former president s efforts to overturn georgias 2020 Election Results is expected to present her case to the grand jury this week. They were running from the Atlanta Journalconstitution spreads streets like on the timeline. Former georgia Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan and independent journalist George Cheeky conform to the newspaper that they will testify before the grand jury on tuesday. Put that news with the knowledge of this coming friday as the last day most of the air williss staff is expected to work remotely. Plus the heightened Security Measures around the Fulton County courthouse, and it could mean that we are in the final stages of a twoyear investigation that could result in criminal charges against trump and his allies, very soon. Nevertheless, we are still learning new details on the sheer scope of the a williss investigation. For charging multiple allies to trump, multiple allies of trump allegedly involved in breaching Voting Machines within the state, and meanwhile we are made on the Campaign Trail in the twice impeached twice twice indicted former president had to say when asked by nbcs Vaughn Hillyard about georgia and the possibility of a plea deal [inaudible] joining me now is the director the Policy Program at Hunter College and democratic strategist. Tim mitchell, washington correspondent the Atlanta Journal of constitution. And matthew dowd and founder of country over party and author of a revelation on the river, healing a nation and healing ourselves. Thanks so much for being here. You are the reporter here, so bring us up to speed. What charges could trump face in the georgia case . So, there is a lot of leeway that the District Attorney could move towards as she meets with a grand jury. But looking at a few different categories. Number, one guy to charge him with that big kind of all Encompass A Charge which is kind of conspiracy of a bunch of folks to commit a crime together. Li trump places. All people know it is being used against the mob but in georgia its being used against teachers in achieving scandal for example. So weve got the Report Charges but then you have got just to the more specific whether she may try to charge you with a former president or any of his allies with trying to obstruct the outcome of an election. Perhaps could today be charged with something that has to deal with tampering with Voting Machines . Could they be charged with something that has to deal with spreading lies and misinformation . During those legislative hearings . There is a lot of material she was seeking through. Again, the lies and misinformation about Election Workers. Which trump or any of his allies be charged with harassment or something of that nature relates to abuse of Election Workers . There is a lot of material there and we believe shes going to go through all these sections with a grand jury on monday and tuesday. To, you report on the heightened security around the Fulton County courthouse. What kind of scene do you think officials are preparing for . I think the preparing for worst case scenarios. They are preparing for what happens if people who are aligned with trump feel like they need to defend him. What happens if they show up in masks . What happens if there are crowds and there are protests and counterprotests. And what happens if there is just a lot of curious people who want to know what is going on and kind of come to see a spectacle. Particularly if the former president is indicted . I think they are taking a precautionary standpoint. We are not sure for example, over the circus like atmosphere in new york. It was noted the air and i was there and they were not necessarily a lot of trumps allies there but in general the media, trump defenders, trump protesters wanted to make sure they controlled that in a new york. Florida, not so much. Georgia wants to make sure that whatever happens, they are ready. And matthew, here in washington and the judge involved in the special counsel jack smiths january 6th case, judge chutkan, has already warned donald trump about making inflammatory statements that could take to the jury pool. In that case. Any chance donald trump will listen to that warning . Zero. Zero right now. I think she by saying what she signed was faced actually signaling that she knows whats probably coming. As why she did in such a way as to sort of push the envelope to say there is going to be accountability. Because we know what is ahead here. In the difficult part for her i think would be when he does do this, what does she do in the course of that . Dont you give us another stern warning in this . Are those who actually finds him in contempt or do something much more stark in the manner of this . We know what hes going to do when he continues to do it in the attacks everyone, he cant help himself. Donald trump is who he is in those but i think that she is going to try the rain doesnt as much as possible. Lets bring in former federal prosecutor and former Southern District of new York Criminal Division deputy chief. Kristie, thank you so much for being here. Here come all the legal questions. What does the news about two witnesses are set to testify on tuesday signal about today fani williss timeline . Should we also expect to see charges brought on tuesday . It depends on whether or not those two individuals were given a 48hour notice, which would suggest that things are wrapping up. There is not the public recording to suggest whether not that has occurred. Plenty of other appointing that is suggesting that we could be looking as soon as tuesday at the indictment. Remember she sent a letter to the court in various charges. Local law enforcement. That this last week and this week of august is going to be the weekend we shouldve ramped up security and her employees are going to be working remotely. All of that suggests that if an indictment is coming this week. What is the significance of the guardian report that the a willis has evidence of Voting Machines breached in georgia . Now she is looking as many of our reporters, here she is looking at bringing rico charges, racketeering charges, you do have to have qualifying crimes, at least two qualifying crimes under the george or eco statute. Among those qualifying crimess Computer Trespass. The reach of those Voting Machines in the georgia county by trump opera, those sensitized voting day that, available for download, all of which was reported to be paid for by sydney powell, though is actions could qualify as Computer Trespass as one of the qualifying crimes under the statute. Is there a possibility we could see charges against trump allies and not trump . And georgia onto the Rescue Stature you have to charge a criminal enterprise and it does not need to be an actual legal entity, it could be a person or an individual associated. The individuals associated working for a common purpose. That purpose would seem to be to overturn the Election Results in georgia. Looking to effectuate their scheme and not charging the person who was benefiting from. It so i expect that you will see charges against donald trump, as well as his allies. We know she sent over a dozen target letters. Target letters means shes got the goods on you. So expect to see a Sprawling Conspiracy Charge here with, i think, donald trump multiple allies. Given, that kristie, in response to the Interference Indictment by jack smiths grand story, trumps team and his allies are pushing east free speech defense. Smith argues a Great Lengths in the indictments that trump was indicted for what he dudes. Not what he said. With the First AmendmentDefense Holding up in georgia, especially with india willis brings rico charges. There is no First Amendment exception for committing criminal conduct for agreeing to commit a crime or conspiring or attempting to commit a crime or actually doing so. Against conspiracy even if you enter into agreements is not enough. You have to take an overt act inference of that conspiracy to be guilty of the conspiracy. Its putin is not going to qatar no need to be acts here in furtherance of that and First Amendment is not going to be a defense to criminal conduct. All, right let me bring you new before we go to the brink. We are seeing trump go up in the polls with every indictments. And he has even said during a Campaign Speech that if he gets one more indictment who will win the 2024 president ial election. You have any concern for their being truth to that . If you think about it one of the reasons that the georgia impact is so important, or the potential indictment is so important is because even if he becomes president , he cant pardon himself for that. The reality is that in order to escape any charges of the federal level, he has got to become president of the United States and the colleague said when i was on our show last night, that is an extraordinarily high bar to have to reach. To get yourself out of trouble. So thats the target for him. Where the reality is you teased earlier, he has been in iowa. Has not even been talking about this issue. Effective Members Of Congress from florida introducing them to voters in iowa. Seems to focus more on Rhonda Santos and he was on any of his legal issues. Its become so he needs them. He needs to be a great with supporters. And eating that up. Hes going to continue to ride that wave in the polls. Among his supporters. While i do think it is incredibly a perilous time for him, the reality in his eye on how much will show up currently. Because whos voters want to do that, its what it will continue to support him. As we move forward. Michael junior matthew dowd are going to stick. Around christine, green beret mitchell, thank you both very much for coming to The Sunday Show. And later, ill speak to why governor josh grain, live about the latest on the deadly wildfire in maui. Dont go anywhere. Dont go anywhere. wheezing asthma isnt pretty. Its the moment when you realize that a good day. Is about to become a bad one. But then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. Because one dose a day helps keep my Asthma Symptoms under control. 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Eligible Xfinity Rewards Members can get up to 100 off Nfl Sunday Ticket from youtube. Sign up for Xfinity Rewards now. Basil michael tenure Matthew Tatar back with me. Lets get into yyz politics in the gop 2020. For matthew, weve seen a few of trumps rivals speak against him. And actually, weve not seen any of this. Very few speak against him or all his indictments. Well that change if and when a fourth is indicted . A fourth indictment comes down . I mean the only one ive seen actually speak against him are Chris Christie and isa hutchinson. And willock her to a degree in then says all of whom are at 3 or below in the polls and i think a fourth indictment it has led in to giving a vulnerability and the republican primary and in the course of this after the game will continue to consolidate. The only time that donald trump was a vulnerable in this race was in the aftermath about 90 days in the aftermath of the 2022 election. After that hes only seem to increase as polls aretha me is indicted in the republican primary. And, so i i think is different, much different than New Hampshire. I actually think a candidate like Chris Christie could have some impact on him because of independents being able to vote there but i analyze a series of very strong gop voters, who are heavily supportive of donalds how small number maybe 100,000 120,000 caucus goers in this and i think its very difficult to get him vulnerable in a situation like that. But, New Hampshire i think, could be slightly different. That is all, lets talk about Governor Desantis. He wasnt eyewear yesterday, got tackled by Trump Supporters with one shot in quote, be more likable. This comes after he replaces Campaign Manager the third reshuffling of his campaign. Why is Governor Desantis struggling . Well, i get to use one of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite movies. Later on. Are there is a great quote in it that says the link that burns twice as bright prints half as long. That rhonda sense came into the gate and seems to be so focused on antiwokeness and so focused on using the states bureaucracy to implement that and codify at. And then i have this extraordinarily terrifying but he seems to be picking fights and even within their contracts he didnt need to take on and take on disney and lost. In many ways that contributes to a sense that hes both unlikable and perhaps unstable. But hes sort of approach to it. If youre trying to beat trump light its vote for the regional not the copy. We found that sort of way to distinguish himself as someone who was an alternative to donald trump. Really just the way hes come across, the way he has approached us from the very beginning. It just seems there is a chaos to it. There is a costlyness to it rather than the searingly real thoughtful strategy. On the facts on you Members Of Congress and florida going with donald trump, that tells you everything you need to know. I was gonna ask about Vivek Ramaswamy grabbing the mic and wrapping to eminem with the governor of iowa. Weve got less than ten minutes left to ask dot to ask you both about ohio. Voters in ohio in a state trump won by eight points in 2020 joined those in kansas and kentucky and montana and wisconsin who pushed back against attempts to our candidates who would limit or ban abortion access. , matthew. Everest you are publicans comprehend the message it is being delivered by the American People . I dont think they do. They keep getting Warning Signals and pilots set up at all. That and they keep running right into the same hole over and over and over again. They seem to be ignoring this. I would actually think this is what ohio. Did yes it was important about reproductive freedom. But it was actually a statement by the voters that says, we still wants democracy in our country. And wisconsin is saying the same thing. Michigan is saying the same thing. Kansas is saying the same thing. The idea that Majority Roles and we have one person and one of, out and its not going to be caused by a small tribal people in this country is what americans i think, including in ohio, are standing up to. The idea that we st