From msnbc World Headquarters here in new york. Welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. We begin with new developments in georgia, where security is tightening around the Fulton County courthouse as State Officials raise concerns about the potential for violence. Two new subpoena suggests the fani Willis Grand Jury will meet in the next couple of days. Indictments related to attempts to overturn 2020 Election Results are widely expected there this week. One Georgia State official said today, trumps rhetoric around his investigations and indictments could trigger violence. Obviously, at this point, you never know whats going to happen. In my biggest concern is that somebody will be at this point, and do something super. It is not gonna be an organized thing, its not going to be a bunch of conspirators together. One, probably mentally unstable individual, who is going to be radicalized through this process. Thats my biggest concern. Also new today, the cnn report that georgia investigators are in possession of Text Messages and emails directly connecting members of Donald Trumps legal team to the early january 2021 Voting System breach in the county. Nbc news has not entirely confirmed this report, nor reviewed the Text Messages, with trump is on the Campaign Trail at the Iowa State Fair. Speaking, out questions on the new protective, ordered a potential indictment in georgia, and whether he would take a plea deal. And this one from Vaughn Hillyard on the 2020 election. President trump, did you intend to overturn the 2020 election . You know the answer. A live report from georgia. Also new today, mike pence Encouraging Congress to investigate president biden. A new reaction to the appointment of a Special Counsel in the investigation of his son, hunter biden. The white house is not commenting publicly on the Special Counsel investigation, but staying laser focused on bidens economic wins. The proof is in the plane. The amazing, and transformative fact of these major pieces of legislation that he has had bipartisan support, and the congress on most of the time, even those who have the bills, their groundbreaking and weve cutting. Where to point right now where we have emerged from a recession into the greatest economic recovery of modern history. Lets go straight to our reporter joining from atlanta. Welcome. All signs point to the grand jury reconvene on tuesday. What are you hearing on the ground there . Thats right. The big question here in Fulton County is, did donald trump and his associates break any laws when they were pressuring georgia officials to overturn the 2020 election . We know of a number of things related to that question. One of them is that perfect phone call as donald trump calls it. The perfect phone call where he asked for 11,000 votes to be found. We also know there were various visits by his associates, including Rudy Giuliani and mark meadows. To the state, during that time period. Why do we think its going to be this . Why why are we all here in Fulton County . Theres two reasons for that. One, the security that youre seeing on the screen right now, and right behind me. There are various levels of barrier set up around the courthouse. Clearly that means the Courthouse Officials of Fulton CountySheriffs Office believe something is going to happen this week. There was also dozens of members of the media here, theyre getting set and ready. The other part of this is what we know is going to happen inside the courthouse on tuesday, that is two interviews with the grand jury. One of the most with george and independent journalist to observe somethings happening during this time as a realest of the fake electors. The other was with former lieutenant governor, jeff dunton, who is associated with a lot of the conversations that were happening between white house officials and what was happening here on the ground in georgia. Here is what dave sterling, the ceo of the georgia secretary of states office. Heres what he had to say but the investigation this morning this morning on nbc. One of the things we learned and reporting on this is that he requested there be two independent audits and verifications by outside groups, and both of these, he paid 600,000 for both. They said that there was no, fraud he lost the state. Weve been saying this over and over again. We counted the ballots three times. He lost the state. They continue to say he didnt lose it. Its just creating a lot of tension, a lot of chaos, its completely unnecessary. So we dont know exact on time maine as to what is going to happen this week, but weve been through this a couple times with grand jurys. We have a sense of whats going to happen. We have a sense that there is going to be some level of presentation that the d. A. s office gives to the grand jurys, and then there is going to be a vote, eventually, between those 23 members of the grand jury, and from there, as sealed incitement would follow. Alex. Okay, thank you so much for leading us off. Were going to go from there right msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. She was in the courtroom on friday for the protective order here in. Joining me in studio, danny sub, all criminal Trial Attorney at nbc news, Intimate Specie legal analyst. Thank you to both of you. Ladies first. What do you make of this new report from cnn, that claims of george investigators have evidence of a breach in Learning Systems and the county involved a Top Down Pushed by trumps team, now nbc news, we want to repeat, has not yet confirmed this, has not seen the text or emails, how do you interpret Top Down Push . I think thats alex, what were going to see is sort of the Connective Tissue that might be missing from this indictment. That is to say that there was an effort being made at the top. We see that in the federal indictment. A number of People Associated with trump, in particular, his legal advisors, trying to execute a number of different overlapping conspiracies to turn the election for him. What we are going to see if we can confirm this, its some of those same people, attorneys who are trumps Unindicted Coconspirators, now working with people on the ground in georgia to try to make those things come to fruition. Whether its by penetrating voting machines, or perpetrating the fake electors scheme, those Unindicted Coconspirators, those attorneys, and others working in their direction, trying to make this happen for trump, in particular, in georgia. This is the one place left, as we approach january 6th, that they still thought they had maybe, the tiniest shot of Making Something happen. Do you think that georgia is the potentially biggest threat to Donald Trumps liberty . Do you get a sense that, the governor cant pardon, him right . If he were to be convicted, does he serve time behind bars . First, no. The biggest threat to Donald Trumps, and im glad to use that, word liberty, because thats a very specific word. The biggest threat to his liberty is still the first two federal cases. In the maralago documents case, the second is the most recent indictment in d. C. The simple reason for that is, statistics. Every federal case ends in a conviction. Now, third, we dont know exactly if or what hes going to be charged with in georgia. Whatever that may be, you assume there is an indictment, i put that a third. Then it just in fourth, way distant fourth, is the new york criminal case against trump. That is putting federal criminal cases ahead a state cases, because if youre pulling the odds as a criminal defendants, you have a much worse chance in Federal Court than you do in state court. Okay, thank you for that. Our colleague, sean hillyard, asked donald trump if he would take a plea there. Lets take a listen. Is there any chance you take a plea deal . We did nothing wrong. We will never take a plea. Thats a wiseguy question. Mr. Wiseguy. We dont take plea deals because i did nothing wrong. Its called Election Interference. So you are out that friday hearing on the protective order, or does anything that he said in iowa about these restrictions . I dont think so. Yet. I think that one of the things thats very interesting about his social media posts since friday is that he appears to no longer be talking about people who could be witnesses in this federal case. Instead, hes focusing his ire on someone who you couldnt say is a witness in these federal proceedings. Namely, joe biden. Trying to tether joe biden to the work of the Special Counsels office, erroneous lee, i might add, the whole purpose of appointing a Special Counsel was to give the justice department, and the Biden Administration, the necessary distance in order to ensure that the administration of justice here was is an impartial as it could be. No, i dont think hes there yet. That having been said, if donald trump is Running Afoul of anything, here its not going to be the protective order, its his conditions of release. This necessitate that he not tamper with the jury pool or intimidate witnesses. Hes going to go right up to the line. Its possible that he crosses that, but i dont think hes done so yet. Okay. Lets take a timeline with you, danny. Overall big picture. Doj has requested a january 2nd trial day in the Election Fraud case, right . Prosecutors say the case will take 4 to 6 weeks. Trumps lawyers have said that it has taken three and a half years to investigate asking why do we make it equal, then the doj replies, not only is this impossible, its disingenuous. Adding the expected turnovers substantially all evidence before the end of this month. So when the trial had a chance to rattle on a date, with you represented jonnel trump, whats a day, a reasonable dates that you would ask for . Both sides can ask for the respective trial dates are wrong, and both are right. The government is trying to have a tight timeline. It makes sense, strategically, cases in Federal Court move quickly. This is no ordinary case. None of these ordinary cases in Federal Court. And trumps defense Attorney Says that they investigated this for two and a half here, as we should get two and a half years. I hope that that was hyperbole. Surely he knows that in Federal Court, youre not going to get two and a half years to investigate a case for the defense. It doesnt work that way in Federal Court, even if donald trump is the defendant. You might get two and a half years in state, but that would not be the intent of the court. It would be because the docket is too crowded, and you cant. Exactly, by the, way of going back to the Southern State case, they have that to deal with. They have backlog. That is to the benefit a defendant. You can have that in Federal Court. If i were, i think, if i were to pick a reasonable number, even for this case, it would lean more towards what the defenses, salk maybe something in may of last year. This is really key. If i say that may would be a reasonable trial date for either these federal indictments, who still say is not Going Forward on that case. Just because a plane the odds. There are too many things that could crop up that are unexpected. For example, there was a superseding indictment of the documents case. No one saw that coming. I. C. E. Assume the government saw that coming. No one else had any idea that was coming up. Thats going to add time. It took one of the codependence in the maralago case a month just to his arraignment because he couldnt find a florida lawyer. That gives you an example. There are unexpected things that happen along the way to trial. Could a case go forward . For example, the one scheduled in may, it might. Whatever date they pick, everyone has to realize that unexpected things happen. Even those states, once the trial jet set them, they are not likely to go forward in a case that the defendant like this, the most significant criminal defense in american history. Danny, lisa, guys, thank you so much for wayne. And the pitchers are ranch. Eight interviews fontaine. A new study number from the disaster in maui. Were back in 60 seconds. Ck in 60 seconds. To not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. Nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network can do for your business. 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