As the public defense. John got eat never even had for indictments at once. Theyre worried they cant beat him in the ballot box. Tonight sweeping rico charges for the ex president and his foot soldiers. No laws were written for any organization that turns itself into a criminal ongoing organization. Involving legal strategies for the maga inner circle. Great a get a great criminal defense lead lawyer. Youre gonna. Get late filing for mark meadows to move the Fulton County charges to Federal Court and which of the four criminal trials of Donald Trumps most important. Which will go to trial first . I did everything right and they indicted me. When all in starts, right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Tonight we are processing the aftermath of the latest sweeping indictment of donald trump, delivered by a Georgia Grand Jury less than 24 hours ago, announced last evening. Fulton County District attorney fani willis accuses the ex president of being involved in a criminal enterprise to reverse the 2020 Election Results under the states racketeering law. In a press conference last night, willis said she will seek a speedy trial and a start date within the next six months and if donald trump must turn himself into the authorities in Fulton County by the end of next week as will his 18 indicted coconspirators. So this is now the fourth indictment of the ex president in a little over four months. It brings the total number of felony charges he faces two 91. As the folks that insider noted, before donald trump the average number of felonies charged for the president United States was zero. After the georgia indictment its up to 1. 9 indictments for prayers per president averaged across all 35 men. Don trump has the roommate problem. When you have a friend who complains about their ban roommate and then they get a new roommate and they keep complaining and then the third roommate, who was also apparently terrible, until youre forced to conclude that it is your friend who is in fact the bad roommate. Any rational person would have to conclude that it is far more likely that donald trump is the bad roommate, the cereal wrongdoer, than what he claims, which is that the whole world is out to get him. But all the people that support him, the party, republican allies, will not state that obvious truth. So instead every time he commits a new offense or he gets charged with committing an offense we all already know, they have to come up with a painful new form of some of pleading. It goes all the way back to Donald Trumps first impeachment after he was caught redhanded to extort of foreign leader in Manufacturing Dirt on his political opponent until the election. Thats why republicans claim it should be up to the voters to judge him in the next election. Removing removing the presents not a last resort. We have an election november, which is a far better and a lot less damaging remedy. That decision needs to be made by the voters. I would say let the voters decide. Well, we did. We let the voters decide. And they voted him out by 5 million votes. And then, after he was voted out, don trump concocted a scheme to destroy the american constitutional republic. He incited a violent insurrection at the capital which led to his second impeachment. Senate republicans managed to delay that second Impeachment Trial until after trump left office. Then they said where he was no longer president it made no sense to impeach him. See how that works . Let someone else deal with it. We have no power to convict and disqualify a former officeholder who is now a private citizen. We have a criminal Justice System in this country. We have civil litigation. And former president s are not immune from being accountable by either one. So first impeachment what the voters decide, we let the voters decide, he tries to form a coup but its too late because hes no longer president so let the courts sort him out. So the Special Pleading by republicans can you continued and for criminal indictment as a court started to sort things out. When manhattan District Attorney alvin bragg charge trump with the Hush Bunny Money payments in 2016 they just said he was a rogue local prosecutor out to get trump for something that happened a long time ago. But when the president ex president was caught with boxes of classified documents, they said the national prosecutor, not a local prosecutor, but this was the justice part being weaponized by joe biden. What about joe bidens garage . And when that same special counsel jack smith brought the second federal indictment against trump for trying to steal the 2020 election, they said he was trying to take away the ex president s First Amendment rights. Now that hes been prosecuted in georgia under the racketeering statute, not the weaponized Biden Justice department, now were back to another Rogue Prosecutor going after him for political reasons for political jurisdiction. When you put it all together its ludicrous. Its obviously plainly reverse engineered around defending donald trump overall else. We know that. The people offering these Defendant Defenses know that. To Lindsey Graham today brought back an old head. Let the voters to. The American People can decide whether they want him to be president or not. They should be decided at the ballot box, not a bunch of liberal jurisdictions trying to put the man in jail. The voters did choose. They chose. I was there. I covered it. You are there to, lindsey, in 2020, and then donald trump unleashed a mob to bash in the brains of the Capitol Police and erected gallows to call for mike pence to be hanged. Which he wasnt, luckily. As ridiculous is this all seem, those are important principle here. This is actually where we tip the foundational little. Its best embodied in an off the court log, Ahmaud Monologue that comes from a Political Science blog, it goes like this, conservatism consists of one proposition, there must be in groups who the law protects but does not bind, alongside our groups on the law binds but does not protect. It goes hand in hand with another saying, another way of saying which is often attributed to latin american dictators goes like this, for my friends, everything, for my enemies, the law. The core idea here, which animates all the defenses for donald trump and his frankly pathetic lackeys, is that there is no such thing is democratic quality in the law. Thats a fiction. Or ludicrous lee naive or not even desirable. No, thats not what is the reality or something we should want. What we should want and what there is are people who should be in power and they can do whatever they want to the other people who should be subject to that power. And it depends on which side of the line youre on. Fani willis and alvin bragg, who the president calls racist, you can figure out why, jack smith, theyre the wrong kind of people. They dont get the power to prosecute trump. The law should not be in their hands. The law should not protect them. They should not be able to wield the law. Donald trump, well, he represents the right kind of people who the law should never touch. The law should be in his hands and he can do with it whatever he wants. There is no value neutral sense of equal justice. None of it. It is cynicism all the way down. Its the Core Contention of authoritarianism, of democratic rightwing reactions through literally the centuries. Going back and its the Core Contention of donald trump himself who hates democracy and has always been kind of clear about that, its the Core Contention that animated the sack of the capitol, the Core Contention that animates all our politics at this moment. Is there really such thing as democratic reality . As democratic equality . Are we all really equal under the eyes of the law. Is that how it is, and is that how it should be . Or is there a group of people who get around the country with an iron fist, if theyre in the minority because the power belongs to them in some deeper sense . That latter proposition is what the Republican Party stands for right now. Congressman jamie raskin its a democrat of maryland, served as a lead manager in the seven impeachment on trump. Hes also a member the january Six Committee, and he joins me now. Congressman, good to see you. First, your reaction, i dont know if you had time to go through the hundredpage indictment issued fairly late last night. I know youve been traveling a bit, doing some campaigning in the like. But rio action to this indictment out of Fulton County . Its a powerful devastating indictment. I think it is spare and focused as the indictment was at the federal level by the special counsel. This one is voluminous and detailed and evocative and kind of wordy. It tells much more closely the factual story that the january Six Committee was able to reconstruct. I was happy to see that ruby freeman and Shaye Moss Made A Central appearance in this indictment, because they were attacked and there was an attempt to coerce them, to intimidate them, to solicit their involvement in abandoning the legitimate democratic election and caving into this conspiracy, which was conducted by an interstate Racketeering Organization that was put together by donald trump to try to overthrow the election. So to me it was moving to me, this indictment. The knock that i have heard, that you heard Lindsey Graham right now, you heard him talk about liberal jurisdictions. Theres a bit of, my point, bad faith, heads i win tails eyelids, which is that if a local prosecutor does it its a local prosecution thats illiberal jurisdiction, if is the Actual Department of justice, its the weaponized department. So theyre both rendered illegitimate and their own way. But im curious, as a constitutional scholar, someone who sat in the first branch of government in this investigative Special Committee Body that went through this, the importance of Fulton County, the importance of federalism here, the legitimacy of a local prosecutor bringing this in a local court, to presented territorial folks from Fulton County. Its a three card monty, as you suggest, chris. During the Impeachment Trial, trump was factually ethically morally responsible, but we cant try a former president , despite two centuries of precedent allowing Impeachment Trials for former officials to take place. But then they said try him in criminal court. Well then, he is indicted in Federal Court and they say, you cant try him because there is interspersed with the conduct and now we have a State Prosecution and the claim is, oh no, we want the protection of the federal government, the big champions of state law and State Government and state courts. Give me a break. They are fleeing as quickly as they can to get into the Federalist Society, passed federal judiciary to see if anyone will nullify this. But if you try to commit a fraud against the people of georgia in overturning the will of the people in that state in the president ial election, you have got to pay the piper and face the lions in georgia. This point about, this sort of running to the Federalist Society packed judiciary, you know, the courts held, largely, by and large, in 2020, in a way that was in some sense, and i will admit, somewhat surprising to me. Pleasantly. So the facts were so terrible that you couldnt do anything but, i mean were not talking about 500 votes in little places where theres like genuinely razorthin margin. Were talking about Tens Of Thousands of votes. But courts are going to have some say overall this in the end. And what is your expectation or your hope about with the courts will do here . I havent had a chance yet to read the Removal Petition filed by mark meadows, who wants to flee into the Federal Courts and is afraid of a jury in georgia, but of course you get a balanced federal defense you can raise it in the state criminal pasts proceeding. You can appeal up to the supreme court. All the rules will lead. Theyre so the u. S. Supreme court will be able to have it say if there some violation of federal law taking place. But right now the point is that there were dozens and dozens of crimes in georgia, state law violations, which are being prosecuted by the georgia prosecutors, and that, in itself, is a representation of american federalism. That is the states doing their job. Its an irony that the people who claim to be defending federalism, that fulton federalism suddenly want the shelter of the rightwing judges but theyve put on to the federal judiciary. Congressman jamie raskin, thank you so much for your time tonight. Thanks for having, me chris. Still to come, there are 18 defendants in the georgia case who are not named donald trump. So who are they . The first, how another disgraced ex president laid the groundwork for the trump prosecution. Thats next. Thats next. And the snack dad. All using chase to keep up with their finances. 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