As we speak, Search And Rescue workers trying to find 1,300 people still unaccounted for. The governor saying the vast majority of victims that have already been found were burned so badly theyll have to be identified through dna. The latest on the search and the president s plan to head to hawaii coming up. And the really sick trend of Swatting Synagogue Ss fueling new fears among jewish congregations. Threatening calls are made during services being live streamed so the suspects can watch crimes unfold at realtime. All this with antisemitic incidents at their highest level in decades. But we start with donald trump, legally bound to surrender to authorities at the Fulton County jail in atlanta sometime between now and next friday at noon. With that jail open 24 7, the how and particularly when are still up to him. Could he try to slip in under cover of darkness, will he want to get it over with or wait until the last possible minute. Theres one more fascinating possibility, could he try to steal the media spotlight from his republican competitors by Surrendering Smack Dab in the middle of wednesdays debate. No matter when he chooses to arrive, once there the process is automatic. Hell be booked, fingerprinted, have his mug shot taken, a first for the expresident. Throughout the morning, hes kept up his version of a defense on social media, attacking the officials who indicted him while also releasing this video portraying himself as their victim. The test of a man is how much he will bear for a cause which he knows to be right. How long will he stand in the depths of despair . How much will he suffer and fight . I want to bring in nbcs Vaughn Hillyard whos been following off of this. Greg blue steen, an msnbc political contributor, and carol lam is a former federal prosecutor and an msnbc legal analyst. So vaughn, whats the latest from trump world . Do we have any insight into the discussions about trumps next move, or as everyones waiting to hear what the timing of his surrender might be. Right, we know there are deliberations that were continuing overnight into exactly when he will come down here to georgia. We know that he will be going to a fundraiser in nashville tomorrow, so potentially thursday or friday are still possibilities, though we have seen in past obviously a great amount of protocol and preparation made ahead of his actual movements for his arraignments, and i think thats an important point here is that in georgia he will not only have to surrender here at the Fulton County jail, but he will also have to take part in an arraignment, and those events could take happen at two different times and the arraignment could potentially be waived. It could potentially happen virtually. Were working on better understanding the actual mechanics of this here. We know that the Secret Service has been in touch with the sheriffs office. The sheriff had previously suggested that he would treat each of the defendants coming from this potential indictment the same way he would treat anybody else that would come in for their formal booking. That would mean a mug shot. That would mean fingerprinting, and as you said, the jail is open 24 hours a day and the deadline was given by the prosecutors was next friday here. So with the debate on the line, ultimately if they do try to arrange with officials here an arraignment and a surrendering, the official booking to be happening, ultimately that will also be determined based on the judges availability. We should expect this to appear on the court docket, when the arraignment is formally filed here. There are a lot of outstanding questions. The trump team are very much reliant on the legal stipulations that must be met here over the course of the next anyone days as well. Greg, what else can you tell us about how this will all unfold at the jail and frankly, about the jail itself . Yeah, well, donald trump can waiver his first court appearance, but he cannot waive the surrender as vaughn said. He is going to have to show up at the Fulton County jail between now and next friday at noon. My hunch is hes not going to go under the cover of night, and i know you mentioned at the top of the show theres a chance he could do it on the day next wednesday, and thats what the political minds here in georgia are all talking about. The possibility that he could do counterprogramming to the debate. The Fulton County jail is not a place youd wish upon even one of your worst enemies. It is full of theres been civil rights complaints. Theres been a legal settlement involving someone who recently died there involving a bedbug infestation. It is not a place where we expect donald trump to spend much time there. Its already overcrowded, already plagued with all sorts of problems. The Fulton County sheriff said theyre going to treat him like any other defendant, all signs point to fingerprinting and possibly a mug shot. But he would, i assume, greg, he would be in and out really quickly . Very quickly, yeah. We do not theyd have to move, dozens, maybe hundreds of prisoners, inmates just to accommodate him in a cell. I dont think hes going to spend much more than a few minutes there. All right, carol, theres a lot going on legally. We saw a move by mark meadows who filed to have his case moved out of state court to Federal Court. Rudy giuliani made the same case on Television Last night. Let me play that. The case should be immediately removed to the Federal Court under a statute i really doubt she thought about. I dont know if she thinks of it, and that would be 28 United States code section 1442, paren a. Which says that any case involving a federal official or one acting on behalf of a federal official should be removed to Federal Court and it should be done liberally and broadly. The presumption should be in favor of removal. So we should all File A Motion in the Federal Court to remove the case from her and the georgia court, ask for a trial in the Federal Court. So theres a lot to unpack there. Let me ask you to do it, carol, particularly that the presumption should be in favor of removal. Well, the first thing i disagree with mr. Giuliani on is that fani willis has not thought about this, i guarantee you, she has thought about this. She is aware of it, but she is probably not that familiar with it in the sense that she has not had to deal with this issue in the prior racketeering indictments that shes brought because those indictments were really based on georgia events, on atlanta events. So this is somewhat new to her in a criminal context. What it means is that if you were a federal Government Official and you are being charged with state crimes, you are allowed to bring a motion to have this case removed to Federal Court. You would still be tried on the state charges, but in Federal Court, and the whole idea behind this was that this was a law passed in the 1700s, and the idea was that you didnt want state courts sort of harassing federal officials. Now, this very motion has been brought by former President Trump previously in his new york case, and those claims were rejected by the Federal Court. Those charges about paying hush money to a porn star were outside your duties as a federal official, and therefore were not going to take these into Federal Court. Here the issue is a little more difficult, i think, to parse out the pieces because he he was the sitting president at the time of these events, most of these events, not all of them, which is why i think fani willis was well aware of the possibility that this motion would be brought, but it does hes going to argue as mark meadows has argued in this motion that they were acting within their capacity as federal officials looking into the integrity of the Election Laws and ironically, the first look we may get at the evidence in this case may be in an evidentiary hearing in the Federal Courts for the judge to determine whether theres merit to the argument that they were acting within their capacity as federal officers here or whether they were really acting outside of their duties as federal officers in trying to overturn the election. One of the things, obviously, greg, that this would take off the table if it got moved to Federal Court is cameras in the courtroom, right . And i know that as we were in the lead up to this there was a lot of conversation about that. As youve been hearing over the last couple of days any kind of talk about the possibility of a donald trump and potentially anyone elses trial being televised, have you heard anything to indicate that that might get pulled, or is that the presumption, the overwhelming presumption that it would happen . Yeah, thats the presumption that if it was removed to Federal Court, which is still a very open question, right . Legal experts as we just heard say its still uncharted territory in a sense, right . If it does get pulled to Federal Court, we to expect it not to be televised, although there will be a big push maybe even from Donald Trumps campaign, who knows, to get cameras in the courtroom because we know that if it is televised and if its at Fulton County like it would be right now, every moment would be magnified and the court of Public Opinion could also weigh in on how they see the trial going. Speaking of defenses, we know trump has teased this monday as the day hes going to give us all of his evidence, previous evidence thats been rejected by almost every single court, evidence that there was indeed voter fraud in the 2020 election. Have you learned anything new about that . We know that he intends to reveal a socalled report that he called large and complex. Of course what does complex mean, and does it have any credence to it is the other question because donald trump has propagated these Election Fraud claims, you know, dating back to 2020 now. There were multiple recounts and audits that were conducted here. Governor brian kemp, the republican just yesterday reaffirmed that no legitimate claims of voter fraud that would have changed the outcome of the 2020 election have been presented here under oath in the state of georgia and that joe biden, in fact, won the 2020 election here. Nevertheless, donald trump necessarily isnt presenting this in the court of law or in the form of any formal motion, but hes presenting this at his Bedminster Club in new jersey at 11 00 a. M. Eastern time on monday because for donald trump, so much of this is about at least winning the Political Court of Public Opinion on this front because its going to be up to his Defense Counsel here in the state of georgia to win it inside of the courtroom and very it could very well happen that this trial doesnt even begin until after november of 2024. So, you know, donald trump can run his own political, you know, trial outside of the courtroom over the course of the next year plus, and ultimately, he can, you know, reference these socalled fraud claims that he has perpetuated over the last two and a half years and made clear he is not going to run away from the past or anytime into the future, and he is going to run through with this whether it gets him into the white house or not, or keeps him out of jail or not. Political trial as well as fundraising operation, Vaughn Hillyard, greg bluestein, carol lam. Up next, search crews with cadaver dogs sifting among the ashes in hawaii, now expecting to find as many as 20 more victims every day. The latest on the ground from maui when were back in 60 seconds. Were back in 60 seconds. Woman why did we choose safelite . Vo for us, driving around is the only way we can get our baby to sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. We went to safelite. Com. 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There are at least 40 dogs now working with a specialized mortuary unit from the federal government, arriving along with a 22 ton Mobile Morgue equipped with xray machines and lab examination tables. Identifying the dead is a pain staking and, of course, heartbreaking process. Family members of the missing are praying together as they submit swabs of their dna at Community Centers with only a few bodies identified so far. Hawaiis governor says recorded deaths could double next week and we may not know the full scope of loss for months. Nbcs dana griffin is on the ground in maui, so much devastation, dana. Are the resources getting there to help . Because we know that over the course of these last days theres been a lot of concern that folks just arent getting what they need. Exactly, and i think, chris, with the opening of this main road that leads to lahaina and west maui, we can definitely see and will hopefully see over the next several days more of those resources coming in. As you mentioned, a lot of people were frustrated because this main road had been shut down. We have people that live, work and have Family MembersBeyond Lahaina that did not have access here. Late last night residents were allowed to go in, and early at 6 00 a. M. Everyone else was allowed. This road will remain open until 10 00 p. M. Thats when it reverts back to restrictions. We saw a line of cars coming in. It took only 18 minutes for that entire line to make it through. Were Hearing Reports of at least a Million Pounds of food, hundreds of thousands of pounds of ice, clothing, water, housing being made available to the people that are most impacted here in lahaina, and im feeling a sense that people are starting to feel like, okay, the relief is coming, the relief theyve really needed. For a lot of people this road to recovery is going to take years, if not decades. So much destruction. We talked theres a family that lost everything. Listen to their story. I try all my life, its all gone within a minute. I feel we have enough time to build it all up again. So many, many years we put our hard work in that we have this that house. Were so sad, you know, not just me lost everything. Everybody. Everythings gone. Reporter and theres still a lot of questions swirling about who is accountable, what went wrong, what caused the ire, and what could have been done to avoid this. I also want to take a moment to honor the people who we are learning died in this fire. We have a Screen Showing you the victims that we have been able to confirm including the names that official have released. They are robert dikeman, buddy jantoc, carol hart lej, fos sew tone, malui fosso. There were several Children Home from school, and the governor says you can expect several children to be found dead in that rubble. Chris. The heartbreak piles up, dana griffin, thank you. In chicago meantime, residents are now eligible for federal assistance for floods that inundated cook county this summer with President Biden officially signing off on a disaster declaration. People on chicagos west side have pushed for aid at town halls for weeks now. Some are still siphoning water out of their basements from the record Setting Rain In June and july. The new funds include grants for temporary housing, home repairs, and loans to cover damaged property as well as some new measures to curb future floods. Now the 2024 Polling Pulse says donald trump is hit with a fourth indictment, were going to deconstruct the clues to how voters might respond this time. Plus, why have synagogues in 12 states been targeted in hoax calls to police. Well talk about that. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Jansing reports only on msnbc but as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. 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