Racketeering indictment. The Clock Ticking before they turn themselves in to the Fulton County jail next friday, with Pressure Mounting for some or all of trumps 18 codefendants to cooperate, you might think trump would be bending over backwards to ingratiate himself with them, keeping them from freaking out and flipping. Doesnt look like it. Not so much. Take Rudy Giuliani, facing 13 charges in Fulton County. Cnn today reports that giuliani made a hail mary pilgrimage to maralago in april in what is described as a mission to make a personal and desperate appeal to former President Donald Trump to pay his legal bills. By going inperson a source familiar with the matter told cnn giuliani and his lawyer believed they could explain facetoface why trump needed to assist his former attorney with his ballooning legal bills. According to reporting trump verbally agreed to help with some of giulianis legal bills without committing to any specific amount or timeline. Nbc news has not independently confirmed the cnn report. Be clear. Not exactly shocking rudy came away emptyhanded. Trump is notoriously cheap. Then jenna ellis. Another former trump lawyer facing two criminal charges at Fulton County. She, too, left high and dry, forced to crowd fund to cover legal expenses. Then perennially roger stone. Could have explaining to do and soon. Although State Officials in al 50 states must ultimately certify the results of the voting in their state, the final decision is a decision made solely by the legislature. Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the Electoral College who actually reflect the president s legitimate victory. So you heard, that was roger stone laying out a game plan for the fake elector plot. It happens november 5th, 2020. Two days before the president ial contest was even called for president elect joe biden. It is a veritable clown guard of cronies and others criminal charges an prosecution and that doesnt even include trumps codefendants in the classified documents case. Valet walt nauta and property manager Carlos De Oliveira who pleaded guilty earlier in the week. The a crush of revelations coming to light. One of the many, many people in this pileup of criminal defendants, you might want to take a lesson from someone whos been there before. Someone who was once the tip of a spear when it came to defending donald trump and paid the ultimate price. Im obviously very loyal and very dedicated to mr. Trump. I think hes going to be not just a good president. I think hes going to be a great president. Hes going to be the president that ends up working with everybody. Whether republican or democrat, including those democrats that are choosing not to come, and truth is, he doesnt care. All that mr. Trump has done is he has added to the existing group of winners that he has hired for the campaign. I think hes a wonderful man. I think hes going to be an amazing president. Michael cohen was an effective spokesperson. Allin on trump. You know the rest of it, though, until he wasnt. Until he couldnt be. Nobody knows better than Michael Cohen of the consequences for walking the walk when it comes to trump. His advice for Rudy Giuliani. I wouldnt hold my breath. He didnt pay you for your previous services. You have a better chance to raise the money from your exwives. Joining us now, former personal attorney to donald trump Michael Cohen, host of a Podcast Author of revenge ow donald trump weaponize u. S. Department of justice against his critics. Michael cohen, storying taken individually are riveting but i needed to talk to you about the portrait coming into focus because the you know what is getting real. Real charges, real prosecutions and real jail time on the line. Something that you know all too well. It is in many instances the natural sort of throughline of service to donald trump. Yeah. Well, only you, nicolle, were get me on the first vacation im having with my family in five years. Only you can get me and its six hours ahead from you, to miss dinner with my family on vaca. Because this is important. Watching videos of me i want to smack myself in the head. I truly thought he was going to become a great president and a president of all americans. Unfortunately i was wrong. Yeah, incredibly effective spokesperson for him, because i did truly believe that he wanted to do right by america, and not to create an autocracy what he ultimately decided when winning in 2016. Becoming real for the rest of these 18 individuals, let me tell you to each and every one of them, saying it literally since my House OversightCommittee Hearing when i said it to mark meadows, or to jim jordan, i said to all of them. I know what hes capable of. I know what has happened to me, and rest assured, whats happened to me will happen to you, if you dont smarten up. You know, i didnt show those clips to embarrass you or make you cringe. I showed them because i think that Rudy Giuliani or roger stone think theyre different and theyre not different. The the right . Nicolle, not only not different. Let me be very clear about something. I had a decadeplus relationship with donald trump, and we saw that the om way for me to collect the monies that was owed in legal fees was to sue him, which took four years. Continue to does not have a longstanding friendship or relationship with rudy colludey. In fact, even less of that relationship with roger stone, who he never thought much of in the first place. Yet they are all appeasing and they are all playing to a party of one. For what reason, i dont know. Let me be also very clear about something. I read the fani willis indictment. It reads like a book. It reads like a really good book that lays out facts and lays out circumstances and Documentary Evidence and testimony, all to get to one ultimate conclusion, and the ultimate conclusion here, nicolle, is a guilty conviction. Michael, lets take some of these defendants and, indicted and charged individuals, separately, and talk about them separately. I think about walt nauta and Carlos De Oliveira. I dont know anything about their personal lives but i think about their families and i think about, now this case went from the Military Service to be a personal valet to donald trump. Im sure thought a great opportunity. Now faces serious criminal prosecution. Carlos de oliveira, again i dont know anything about him personally, if he has a family, but, he, too, probably thought he had a neat job doing i. T. At the private club of an ex president and now face mountains of legal bills, excruciating stress on themselves and their families. Can you tell us a little what you know from your own experience theyre going through personally and financially . Well, i can tell you that it is like having an anvil falling out of the sky like we used to see on the road runner. This anvil is dropping out of the sky landing straight on top of their head. It is a neverending financial obligation, the stress and the pain that it causes one and their family. Especially the family. Theres really no way to describe it. Remember, i had this all happening to me over a very short period of time. Theirs is significantly longer. Especially because they made the mistake and pled not guilty at the arraignment. Its not going to be easy on any of them, and, in fact, each and every day that goes by it becomes more and more difficult, because the extraneous circumstances that come into play. Banks walk away from you. You know. Friends walk away from you. You know, loss of your Business Opportunities walk away from you. I dont see how donald could continue to have them around. You know, i can assure you, like what i wrote about giuliani, hes not going to pay any of those legal fees, and hes going use a line of nonsense. Something to the extent of, well, if i pay your legal fees, theres going to be this presumption or this appearance that im obstructing justice, or its Witness Tampering and i cant i cant have that right now. Especially being a codefendant in this case. And so i cant make these legal payments for you. Well, that adds a mountain of pressure on top of you. Trust me, i know this because donald did that to me. Right in the dead center of when illegal was needed the most. So when i say that donald doesnt care about anyone or anything, he doesnt care about rudy. He doesnt care about roger stone. He certainly doesnt care about walt nauta or de oliveira. He doesnt care about any of them. Its funny, too. Youre right. The reason he gives, look like obstruction of Witness Tampering known as monday if youre donald trump. Something he does all day every day, but he could manufacture this excuse. People close to rudy describe him exactly as you described. Let me read this to you from the cnn report. Giulianis trip to maralago indicates level of Financial Stress that hes been facing for months as his legal trucks continued to pile up, but what surprised those in trumps inner circle the former president s unwillingness to pay giulianis bill given he could find himself under Intention Pressure to cooperate. Its not a smart idea for trump to refuse to pay giulianis legal fees, according to one person close to the situation, famously deteriorated investigated by special counsel robert mueller. Do you think if trump wasnt president , you find enough evidence culminating in sentencing memo. There is a real parallel and trump is no longer protected by a doj policy saying he cant be indicted. What is the real legal peril facing trump . Well, look. As i stated, donald trump was individual number one. I certainly was not the one who had the affair with stormy daniels. I certainly didnt have a relationship, in fact, i wasnt eastern the one that made the payment to mcdougal. David picker and ami. Whats the peril to donald trump . Like i said before, none of these indictments, if you read them, leave any doubt, and in it should be anyones mind, that donald trump will be held accountable for the allegations that are raised by either jack smith, by alvin bragg, by fani willis. I mean, its very Crystal Clear when you read these indictments exactly what was done. Its all backed up. Again, with Documentary Evidence and testimony, and that why i dont understand why rudy thinks that hes going to be different. Roger stone has already seen the troubles that, know, the relationship with donald has brought. He was just fortunate that donald was able to pardon him. Otherwise, he probably still would be sitting, you know, behind bars. So why any of them are staying foolishly loyal to a man that doesnt understand the term, i dont understand it myself. I called it the Head Scratcher because it makes no sense at all i want to share with our viewers, which sometimes includes people on the trump side of the ideological question, where trump is getting his money for his only Legal Defense. This is an account from the New York Times. New Financial Report shows the former president s various political committees and superpac backing him have used roughly 30 cents of every dollar spent so far this year on legalrelated costs. The total amounts to more than 27 million in legal fees and other investigationrelated bills First Six Months of 2023 according to federal records. The new disclosure revealed remarkable degree to which trumps cash are intermingled much like his police fate. After leezing the 2020 election a person close to donald trump who knew bill stepien and why he stepped away. There was no there, there to the claims of vote fraud said donald is going to try to raise money for his Legal Defense fund. This person didnt see more, insurrection in the works, probably should have. The fact its all agrist is a remarkable fact. Not disputed. A clear fact that this is the Trump Campaigns only filings, what the Financial Disclosure comes from. Disclosures that the Trump Campaigns makes. Hes gripping from supporters to pay higs legal bills and not sharing with other codefendants. To your point, its a Head Scratcher, doesnt that make them look like rubes and idiots . Well, yeah. I mean, its a rhetorical question, i suspect, but worse than that is that he is still the leading republican candidate for the upcoming president ial election. That, to me, is the real Head Scratcher. You know, anybody would turn around and say if a former president who wants to be president again is being indicted, that would, or should be, a disqualifying factor. But were not talking about one. Were not talking about two. Were not talking about three. Were not even really talking about four, nicolle. Its five if you count the superseding indictment. So start thinking to yourself, and theyll be a sixth with the second jack smith case. You say to yourself, are these people really that gullible . Are they really that stupid to follow this man into the Dumpster Fire of the cult of donald j. Trump . Why . What do they get out of it . The answer is, they get absolutely nothing. And everybody else thats in that inner circle, these 18 other codefendants, the only thing that theyre going to get is a lot of pain and a lot of legal bills. And thats it. So to Carlos De Oliveira and 18 other charged individuals in Fulton County, accused of crimes that could, this is down the line, but if they go to trial, if theyre convicted and found guilty they could go to jail. You talked about the demp stur fire. I think from talking to you jail sounds worse than a Dumpster Fire. What is it like to go to jail for doing what donald trump told you to do . Its very difficult, putting your head down on the pillow to go to sleep each night and to waking up and staring at cinder block walls. You know, obviously being directed, being away from your family is the single hardest thing in the, you know, in the world. Especially for myself. I can tell you, they dont want it, and only a fool would want to give up their freedom, to give up their families, their happiness. Their own happiness. Their livelihood. You give up everything. Again, for who . For what . For a guy who wants to destroy the constitution . Who truly believes he has the ability let alone the intellect to do it, we all know he doesnt, but to rewrite the constitution . I mean, this everliving document that was created, you know, by, clearly, some of the smartest people ever to walk this planet. Not a guy whos going to use, like bigley and hugely and, you know you know, all of these other wonderful adjectives that he uses in his speeches. Donald trump literally wants to rewrite the constitution, but to rewrite it, in a way that only benefits himself. And why any american would want to see Something Like this happen. Again, it just becomes Head Scratcher number two. I dont understand what theyre doing. I dont understand what theyre thinking. Well if you dont get it, makes us feel better around here. I know you are on vacation with your family. What is it, demi lovato lyrics, sorry, not sorry. We really needed to talk and glad we bothered you and hope youre able to say goodbye to us and enjoy family time. Michael cohen, thank you very much for spending time with us. Great to see you, nicolle. When we come back, the walking, talking, living, breathing, legal liability that is donald j. Trump. No surprise that his team is, based on his accounts, very, very worried about his Planned Public Press Conference to refute his georgia indictment, and what he calls refutable Election Fraud. Plus, Turning Hi Mandatory Courthouse appearance a disfraction next weeks republican debate. Will it work . A debate he may still show up to . We dont know. Later in the show, what we feared from trumps dangerous rhetoric from one of the judges over seeing one of his cases may have just led to a real threat of her life. All this after a quick break. Dont go anywhere today. Thats why Herbal Essences is packed with naturally derived Plant Ingredients you love, and none of the stuff you dont. Our sulfatefree collections smell incredible. And leave your Hair Touchably soft and smooth. 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