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And all promises of that irrefutable evidence in a report on Election Fraud in georgia. Were on the trail with Chris Christie, the republican president ial candidate says hes leading a Truth Movement to be an alternative to trump. Plus, Hunter Bidens tax charges dismissed, at least for now. The latest in the saga over the president s son and the plea deal that fell apart. Our nbc News Reporters are following all of the latest developments. We start in lahaina, where there are still more questions than answers, and a new investigator has been brought in to find them. Nbcs dana griffin just arrived there. Dana, this investigator comes as the islands top Emergency Official resigned. What more can you tell us . Reporter yeah, so a day before Herman Andaya resigned, which was on tuesday, he faced some tough questions from reporters. Listen to what he told them. Do you regret not sounding the sirens . I do not. Had we sounded the siren that night, were afraid that people would have gone into the fire. I should also note that there are no sirens on the mountain side, where the fire was spreading down. So even if we sounded the sirens, it would not have saved those people on the mountain side. Reporter so youve got a lot of mounting criticism for that statement because residents here, people who are still missing loved ones say if you would have sounded those alarms it would have woke up our elderly grandparents, because a lot of people didnt have cell phones on or tv or radio. They would have at least stepped outside their home. They wouldnt have gone toward the mountainside, toward the fire, they would have known to escape. So we have reached out to him, nbc news has. We have yet to hear back. Andaya is citing Health Concerns but this could be part of the independent investigation. The Attorney General said she wanted a thirdparty investigator, and i want to quote her here, she says, an independent review will ensure that all aspects of the incident, including any potential shortcomings in preparation, response and communication are thoroughly examined, and thats what a lot of people here in lahaina want. They want accountability, and you could potentially see other leaders, possibly either resigning or being called to the table about some of the decisions that were made that day. Investigators and Search And Rescue crews are behind us down here in lahaina, searching for the missing, which could be as high as 1,300. The death toll still stands at 111. Dana griffin, thank you for that. Now to former President Trumps decision to cancel the Big Press Conference he had planned for monday. Nbcs ken dilanian is following that. And also, this push to have one of his trials delayed until 2026. What can you tell us, ken . Chris, it appears to be a rare instance of donald trump taking the legal advice that his lawyers are giving to him. No doubt they told him that it would be absolutely insane for him to get up in public and discuss what he calls irrefutable and overwhelming evidence of fraud in georgia, but which most people who have looked at the evidence say doesnt exist, because if he did that, the prosecutor in fulton county, and perhaps jack smith in washington would argue that these are overt acts in furtherance of the very conspiracies that they have charged him with. They have charged him with lying about fraud and taking other action to perpetrate the fraud. What his lawyers are saying to do is to put the information in filings. It will be interesting to see exactly what they do file and as for the argument over when the d. C. Trial on this election suppression, conspiracy alleged takes place. As you know, jack smith asked for a january date. Donald trumps lawyers are asking for a date in april of 2026. Neither side is probably going to get exactly what they want, but most legal experts say six months to a year is reasonable, and even notable legal expert, former Attorney General bill barr weighed in on this matter. Take a listen to what he had to say. You dont get immunity for two years in the runup to an election just by saying, hey, im a candidate. These investigations have been going on for a while. Everyone knew about them, even before he announced his candidacy. So if theres a chance to get it resolved before the election, it should be. Hes making a key point there, chris, even though the prosecution is turning over 11 1 2 Million documents, an enormous amount of discovery, the January 6th Committee made a lot of this evidence public already. Donald trump and his lawyers have been on notice about this conduct for many many months, and no doubt the judge is going to take that into account, chris. Ken dilanian, thank you. Republican president ial candidate Chris Christie took his campaign on the road today to the home state of donald trump and ron desantis. Nbcs Shaquille Brewster is in miami, so Chris Christie never shy with words, what did he have to say . Reporter thats right, chris. Well, his main message was that in order for republicans to defeat joe biden next november, they need to start by taking down donald trump in this primary. Ill say he was addressing a group of skeptical, but openminded voters. A lot of independents and some democrats in that room. His main message was to republicans saying that its time to move past donald trump and leave him behind and that the other candidates in the race, in his words, arent willing to confront the front runner right now, who if you look at polling, he continues to expand that lead. To that point, we got a sense of the Debate Stage Messaging that well hear from Chris Christie next week. Listen to a little bit of how he put that, and how he framed that argument. And i dont understand your governor. I dont. And i dont understand donald trump and his approach. I dont get it. They want to put more power in the hands of government. Thats not what conservatives have stood for my whole life, not what republicans have stood for my whole life. Reporter so you hear him trying to argue that he is the real conservative in this race. The problem for him, chris, is that when you look at polling, republicans just dont like him. 6 in 10 republicans in at least two National Polls said they view him unfavorably. Hes trying to make these arguments. Now is the time to confront the front runner of the republican primary right now, but its an open question in terms of how many people are listening and if that message will connect with the people who need to vote for him in this primary, chris. Shaquille brewster, thank you. Go get lunch. Everybody behind you is already. Appreciate it. Nbcs tom winter is following the hunter biden investigation, meantime, tell us about these charges. I guess they are being dropped now, but maybe not for good . Well, thats exactly right, chris, and this is something that was largely anticipated. You and i kind of foreshadowed this in speaking earlier this week. The judge dismissing formally the two Misdemeanor Tax Charges facing the son of the president of the United States, hunter biden. The reason for that is that prosecutors wanted them dismissed. They said, look, we have to have a venue, we have to have a reason to have these in federal court in delaware, and we dont have them. Thats something they need to prove if theyre going to bring this case. It wasnt going to be a problem. When they had a Plea Agreement, it wasnt going to matter. But once that dissolved, then they had to address those concerns and they have indicated in their filings, they might seek to bring charges in other districts, and now that the federal prosecutor in delaware is a special counsel in this case, david weiss, hell have the ability to bring those charges in any district that he feels he does have venue and can bring them in. That may include the same two Misdemeanor Charges that he tried to bring or have a Plea Agreement on, rather, in this particular case. It could also be other charges and perhaps either charges that are not as serious or charges that could be more serious. So well just have to wait and see what happens. As far as the plea diversion agreement, involving the possession of a gun, that has not been resolved yet, chris, and its possible that by the end of the day today, we could hear from the judge. She might schedule a hearing to hear the points of the debate on that. Well just have to follow it and see where it goes from here. Tom winter, thank you so much. An historic first, President Biden hosting a trilateral summit with leaders from japan and south korea, amid rising tensions in the region. What we can expect at that Press Conference, now set to begin in less than an hour. Well head to camp david in 60 seconds. S. Ive got Home Internet from tmobile. It only costs 50 bucks at tmobile. Just one cord to set up. Say goodbye to that truck. Oh, what a beautiful mornin. Oh, what a beautiful day. They wont raise your rates at tmobile. Youll get a great deal every day Home Internet from tmobile. Just 50 bucks a month. Right now, were keeping a close watch on camp david. Its the historic backdrop for President Bidens first ever trilateral summit with the leaders of japan and south korea who face increasing tensions in the region, including chinas growing ambitions, and alarming new Missile Threats from north korea with purported help from russia. A Press Conference is scheduled to begin at the top of the hour where the president is sure to highlight a key Foreign Policy, he achieved ahead of the meeting, a potentially Game Changing new Security Pledge between the three countries. Nbc news senior White House Correspondent Kelly Odonnell is at camp david. Were also joined by Nbc National Security and Global Securities dan de luce, and Washington Post columnist, david ignatius. Kelly, what is key on todays agenda, and what more can you tell us about this joint agreement. Reporter first of all, the fact that were at camp david is part of the significance here. This is the first time President Biden is hosting World Leaders at camp david, the long time president ial retreat. This is rare and over u. S. History, there have been pivotal times that president s have used this place and the setting to try to work diplomacy, and that is certainly true for President Biden today. Part of what we will see is by hosting japan and south korea, two countries the u. S. Has had a long, strong, individual relationship with. But what today really signifies and the first time theyre having a stand alone, threeway meeting, its not attached to another summit. It shows theres been a lot of progress in the Background Work that japan and south korea have done together about their own relationship which has been frayed and stressful over many decades. So its a new time. On that security agreement, part of what theyre talking about is theyre not characterizing it as a duplication of sort of the nato agreement that we have heard so much about during the period of the war in ukraine where a threat against one nation would cause others to come to their defense. But something close to that. Its a new type of consultation that they are agreeing to. So they will speak about any emergencies. Theres an implied expression of defense of the others. It just doesnt go quite as far as nato. It is significant, especially when you consider who is in the neighborhood for japan and south korea. That is north korea and china. Both South Korea And Japan have strong economic relationships with china. So does the u. S. We have seen how china has been more aggressive militarily, and is certainly trying to flex its power economically. So today is significant on many levels. A legacy item for all of these leaders as well as a practical change in the indopacific region where theyre trying to show strength and unity, and one of the sort of practical things is theyre talking about having the latest technology that could connect the three leaders with what you would call a hot phone where they can speak to each other very quickly, especially when there are moments of emergency where minutes and seconds could possibly make a difference, and typically leader level calls as you well know, chris, have lots of bureaucrcy attached. This would be a way to speed that process, outwardly a sign of the bond forming here. There have been a lot of meetings. We expect the News Conference to begin in the next hour, and certainly its about establishing strength in a region that is very vulnerable right now. Chris. Kelly odonnell, thank you for that. So david, there are, you know, symbolic significances to this, its the first time hes had a foreign leader at camp david, and camp david itself of course the site of so many important diplomatic events between israelis and palestinians, israel and egypt, but on this Substantiative Level that kelly was just addressing, how important is what were seeing today . In Foreign Policy terms, chris, this is a big deal. China has been growing danger for everybody in the region. Japan and south korea have been great allies for the United States for many years but have had deep disagreements between each other, and theyve over the last several years managed to begin to talk and share ideas, share intelligence, and this trilateral summit symbolizes that threeway, i want to say partnership. There will be Intelligence Sharing. There will be as kelly said, not a nato like formal commitment to each others defense, but there will be regular military exercises, drilling for Ballistic Missile attacks that could come from north korea or even from china. So in terms of the u. S. Security interests in asia, having a platform of partnerships, alliances that can protect u. S. Interests and protect our friends in the region, this is going to make a difference. Took a lot of work by the biden team, President Biden himself has been interested in this since he was vice president. His National Security adviser jake sullivan, tony blinken, Secretary Of State have worked on this in great detail. Today is the day when it comes together and really symbolically important place that reminds us of the Camp David Peace agreements, other fundamental moments in u. S. Foreign policy. For folks wondering what they were seeing in the pictures, thats a camera guy letting the other camera guys balance their colors. Having said that, dan, lets go back to the substance here. These reports that russia has supplied north korea with a new missile that could evade defense and hit multiple american targets, which would be a violation of security. Tell us more about that. Its saying a new icbm that north korea tested last month appears to be using russia technology, so they seem to have gotten russian assistance to make this missile more advanced. Its a solid fuel missile and also Ha Technology on it that makes it able to evade u. S. Defenses, so another reminder of north koreas growing missile arsenal, and Nuclear Weapons program, and it underlines the concern that its driving these three countries together, a concern really for korea and japan in particular. As david was mentioning, and kelly, theres going to be Intelligence Sharing to try to get ahead of the Missile Threat from north korea in particular, and also the potential threat from chinas massive missile arsenal. As the three leaders stand and theyre united and sending a message to north korea, could it have any impact on travis king, the american being held after bolting over the dnc . I would be surprising if it had any immediate positive effect. The effect is more likely a dramatic demonstration by kim jong un over the coming weeks or months of his defiance. There are concerns that north korea may, again, test Nuclear Weapons. They have regularly fired missiles that with trajectories that take the missiles over japan. So i think positive north korean responses are unlikely. I think the more interesting question is how china will react. From chinas standpoint, this is just about the worst thing that could happen. South korea and japan, two key regional powers, two key allies of the United States are coming together in this threeway partnership, and if youre china, you have to worry about your own, the situation in the military balance. The u. S. Is in effect, providing a Nuclear Umbrella for Election Fraud<\/a> in georgia. Were on the trail with Chris Christie<\/a>, the republican president ial candidate says hes leading a Truth Movement<\/a> to be an alternative to trump. Plus, Hunter Bidens<\/a> tax charges dismissed, at least for now. The latest in the saga over the president s son and the plea deal that fell apart. Our nbc News Reporters<\/a> are following all of the latest developments. We start in lahaina, where there are still more questions than answers, and a new investigator has been brought in to find them. Nbcs dana griffin just arrived there. Dana, this investigator comes as the islands top Emergency Official<\/a> resigned. What more can you tell us . Reporter yeah, so a day before Herman Andaya<\/a> resigned, which was on tuesday, he faced some tough questions from reporters. Listen to what he told them. Do you regret not sounding the sirens . I do not. Had we sounded the siren that night, were afraid that people would have gone into the fire. I should also note that there are no sirens on the mountain side, where the fire was spreading down. So even if we sounded the sirens, it would not have saved those people on the mountain side. Reporter so youve got a lot of mounting criticism for that statement because residents here, people who are still missing loved ones say if you would have sounded those alarms it would have woke up our elderly grandparents, because a lot of people didnt have cell phones on or tv or radio. They would have at least stepped outside their home. They wouldnt have gone toward the mountainside, toward the fire, they would have known to escape. So we have reached out to him, nbc news has. We have yet to hear back. Andaya is citing Health Concerns<\/a> but this could be part of the independent investigation. The Attorney General<\/a> said she wanted a thirdparty investigator, and i want to quote her here, she says, an independent review will ensure that all aspects of the incident, including any potential shortcomings in preparation, response and communication are thoroughly examined, and thats what a lot of people here in lahaina want. They want accountability, and you could potentially see other leaders, possibly either resigning or being called to the table about some of the decisions that were made that day. Investigators and Search And Rescue<\/a> crews are behind us down here in lahaina, searching for the missing, which could be as high as 1,300. The death toll still stands at 111. Dana griffin, thank you for that. Now to former President Trump<\/a>s decision to cancel the Big Press Conference<\/a> he had planned for monday. Nbcs ken dilanian is following that. And also, this push to have one of his trials delayed until 2026. What can you tell us, ken . Chris, it appears to be a rare instance of donald trump taking the legal advice that his lawyers are giving to him. No doubt they told him that it would be absolutely insane for him to get up in public and discuss what he calls irrefutable and overwhelming evidence of fraud in georgia, but which most people who have looked at the evidence say doesnt exist, because if he did that, the prosecutor in fulton county, and perhaps jack smith in washington would argue that these are overt acts in furtherance of the very conspiracies that they have charged him with. They have charged him with lying about fraud and taking other action to perpetrate the fraud. What his lawyers are saying to do is to put the information in filings. It will be interesting to see exactly what they do file and as for the argument over when the d. C. Trial on this election suppression, conspiracy alleged takes place. As you know, jack smith asked for a january date. Donald trumps lawyers are asking for a date in april of 2026. Neither side is probably going to get exactly what they want, but most legal experts say six months to a year is reasonable, and even notable legal expert, former Attorney General<\/a> bill barr weighed in on this matter. Take a listen to what he had to say. You dont get immunity for two years in the runup to an election just by saying, hey, im a candidate. These investigations have been going on for a while. Everyone knew about them, even before he announced his candidacy. So if theres a chance to get it resolved before the election, it should be. Hes making a key point there, chris, even though the prosecution is turning over 11 1 2 Million<\/a> documents, an enormous amount of discovery, the January 6th Committee<\/a> made a lot of this evidence public already. Donald trump and his lawyers have been on notice about this conduct for many many months, and no doubt the judge is going to take that into account, chris. Ken dilanian, thank you. Republican president ial candidate Chris Christie<\/a> took his campaign on the road today to the home state of donald trump and ron desantis. Nbcs Shaquille Brewster<\/a> is in miami, so Chris Christie<\/a> never shy with words, what did he have to say . Reporter thats right, chris. Well, his main message was that in order for republicans to defeat joe biden next november, they need to start by taking down donald trump in this primary. Ill say he was addressing a group of skeptical, but openminded voters. A lot of independents and some democrats in that room. His main message was to republicans saying that its time to move past donald trump and leave him behind and that the other candidates in the race, in his words, arent willing to confront the front runner right now, who if you look at polling, he continues to expand that lead. To that point, we got a sense of the Debate Stage Messaging<\/a> that well hear from Chris Christie<\/a> next week. Listen to a little bit of how he put that, and how he framed that argument. And i dont understand your governor. I dont. And i dont understand donald trump and his approach. I dont get it. They want to put more power in the hands of government. Thats not what conservatives have stood for my whole life, not what republicans have stood for my whole life. Reporter so you hear him trying to argue that he is the real conservative in this race. The problem for him, chris, is that when you look at polling, republicans just dont like him. 6 in 10 republicans in at least two National Polls<\/a> said they view him unfavorably. Hes trying to make these arguments. Now is the time to confront the front runner of the republican primary right now, but its an open question in terms of how many people are listening and if that message will connect with the people who need to vote for him in this primary, chris. Shaquille brewster, thank you. Go get lunch. Everybody behind you is already. Appreciate it. Nbcs tom winter is following the hunter biden investigation, meantime, tell us about these charges. I guess they are being dropped now, but maybe not for good . Well, thats exactly right, chris, and this is something that was largely anticipated. You and i kind of foreshadowed this in speaking earlier this week. The judge dismissing formally the two Misdemeanor Tax Charges<\/a> facing the son of the president of the United States<\/a>, hunter biden. The reason for that is that prosecutors wanted them dismissed. They said, look, we have to have a venue, we have to have a reason to have these in federal court in delaware, and we dont have them. Thats something they need to prove if theyre going to bring this case. It wasnt going to be a problem. When they had a Plea Agreement<\/a>, it wasnt going to matter. But once that dissolved, then they had to address those concerns and they have indicated in their filings, they might seek to bring charges in other districts, and now that the federal prosecutor in delaware is a special counsel in this case, david weiss, hell have the ability to bring those charges in any district that he feels he does have venue and can bring them in. That may include the same two Misdemeanor Charges<\/a> that he tried to bring or have a Plea Agreement<\/a> on, rather, in this particular case. It could also be other charges and perhaps either charges that are not as serious or charges that could be more serious. So well just have to wait and see what happens. As far as the plea diversion agreement, involving the possession of a gun, that has not been resolved yet, chris, and its possible that by the end of the day today, we could hear from the judge. She might schedule a hearing to hear the points of the debate on that. Well just have to follow it and see where it goes from here. Tom winter, thank you so much. An historic first, President Biden<\/a> hosting a trilateral summit with leaders from japan and south korea, amid rising tensions in the region. What we can expect at that Press Conference<\/a>, now set to begin in less than an hour. Well head to camp david in 60 seconds. S. Ive got Home Internet<\/a> from tmobile. It only costs 50 bucks at tmobile. Just one cord to set up. Say goodbye to that truck. Oh, what a beautiful mornin. Oh, what a beautiful day. They wont raise your rates at tmobile. Youll get a great deal every day Home Internet<\/a> from tmobile. Just 50 bucks a month. Right now, were keeping a close watch on camp david. Its the historic backdrop for President Biden<\/a>s first ever trilateral summit with the leaders of japan and south korea who face increasing tensions in the region, including chinas growing ambitions, and alarming new Missile Threats<\/a> from north korea with purported help from russia. A Press Conference<\/a> is scheduled to begin at the top of the hour where the president is sure to highlight a key Foreign Policy<\/a>, he achieved ahead of the meeting, a potentially Game Changing<\/a> new Security Pledge<\/a> between the three countries. Nbc news senior White House Correspondent<\/a> Kelly Odonnell<\/a> is at camp david. Were also joined by Nbc National Security<\/a> and Global Securities<\/a> dan de luce, and Washington Post<\/a> columnist, david ignatius. Kelly, what is key on todays agenda, and what more can you tell us about this joint agreement. Reporter first of all, the fact that were at camp david is part of the significance here. This is the first time President Biden<\/a> is hosting World Leaders<\/a> at camp david, the long time president ial retreat. This is rare and over u. S. History, there have been pivotal times that president s have used this place and the setting to try to work diplomacy, and that is certainly true for President Biden<\/a> today. Part of what we will see is by hosting japan and south korea, two countries the u. S. Has had a long, strong, individual relationship with. But what today really signifies and the first time theyre having a stand alone, threeway meeting, its not attached to another summit. It shows theres been a lot of progress in the Background Work<\/a> that japan and south korea have done together about their own relationship which has been frayed and stressful over many decades. So its a new time. On that security agreement, part of what theyre talking about is theyre not characterizing it as a duplication of sort of the nato agreement that we have heard so much about during the period of the war in ukraine where a threat against one nation would cause others to come to their defense. But something close to that. Its a new type of consultation that they are agreeing to. So they will speak about any emergencies. Theres an implied expression of defense of the others. It just doesnt go quite as far as nato. It is significant, especially when you consider who is in the neighborhood for japan and south korea. That is north korea and china. Both South Korea And Japan<\/a> have strong economic relationships with china. So does the u. S. We have seen how china has been more aggressive militarily, and is certainly trying to flex its power economically. So today is significant on many levels. A legacy item for all of these leaders as well as a practical change in the indopacific region where theyre trying to show strength and unity, and one of the sort of practical things is theyre talking about having the latest technology that could connect the three leaders with what you would call a hot phone where they can speak to each other very quickly, especially when there are moments of emergency where minutes and seconds could possibly make a difference, and typically leader level calls as you well know, chris, have lots of bureaucrcy attached. This would be a way to speed that process, outwardly a sign of the bond forming here. There have been a lot of meetings. We expect the News Conference<\/a> to begin in the next hour, and certainly its about establishing strength in a region that is very vulnerable right now. Chris. Kelly odonnell, thank you for that. So david, there are, you know, symbolic significances to this, its the first time hes had a foreign leader at camp david, and camp david itself of course the site of so many important diplomatic events between israelis and palestinians, israel and egypt, but on this Substantiative Level<\/a> that kelly was just addressing, how important is what were seeing today . In Foreign Policy<\/a> terms, chris, this is a big deal. China has been growing danger for everybody in the region. Japan and south korea have been great allies for the United States<\/a> for many years but have had deep disagreements between each other, and theyve over the last several years managed to begin to talk and share ideas, share intelligence, and this trilateral summit symbolizes that threeway, i want to say partnership. There will be Intelligence Sharing<\/a>. There will be as kelly said, not a nato like formal commitment to each others defense, but there will be regular military exercises, drilling for Ballistic Missile<\/a> attacks that could come from north korea or even from china. So in terms of the u. S. Security interests in asia, having a platform of partnerships, alliances that can protect u. S. Interests and protect our friends in the region, this is going to make a difference. Took a lot of work by the biden team, President Biden<\/a> himself has been interested in this since he was vice president. His National Security<\/a> adviser jake sullivan, tony blinken, Secretary Of State<\/a> have worked on this in great detail. Today is the day when it comes together and really symbolically important place that reminds us of the Camp David Peace<\/a> agreements, other fundamental moments in u. S. Foreign policy. For folks wondering what they were seeing in the pictures, thats a camera guy letting the other camera guys balance their colors. Having said that, dan, lets go back to the substance here. These reports that russia has supplied north korea with a new missile that could evade defense and hit multiple american targets, which would be a violation of security. Tell us more about that. Its saying a new icbm that north korea tested last month appears to be using russia technology, so they seem to have gotten russian assistance to make this missile more advanced. Its a solid fuel missile and also Ha Technology<\/a> on it that makes it able to evade u. S. Defenses, so another reminder of north koreas growing missile arsenal, and Nuclear Weapons<\/a> program, and it underlines the concern that its driving these three countries together, a concern really for korea and japan in particular. As david was mentioning, and kelly, theres going to be Intelligence Sharing<\/a> to try to get ahead of the Missile Threat<\/a> from north korea in particular, and also the potential threat from chinas massive missile arsenal. As the three leaders stand and theyre united and sending a message to north korea, could it have any impact on travis king, the american being held after bolting over the dnc . I would be surprising if it had any immediate positive effect. The effect is more likely a dramatic demonstration by kim jong un over the coming weeks or months of his defiance. There are concerns that north korea may, again, test Nuclear Weapons<\/a>. They have regularly fired missiles that with trajectories that take the missiles over japan. So i think positive north korean responses are unlikely. I think the more interesting question is how china will react. From chinas standpoint, this is just about the worst thing that could happen. South korea and japan, two key regional powers, two key allies of the United States<\/a> are coming together in this threeway partnership, and if youre china, you have to worry about your own, the situation in the military balance. The u. S. Is in effect, providing a Nuclear Umbrella<\/a> for South Korea And Japan<\/a>. Were not saying that explicitly as with nato, everybody understands thats what this means. If youre china, you have to take note. Let me ask you in our closing minutes about something you wrote in your most recent column. President biden and Secretary Of State<\/a> Antony Blinken<\/a> are building a Foreign Policy<\/a> framework to last. Tell us more about that, david. So, chris, i was trying to write about the dilemma that this administration has. We all know were in a political whirlwind right now, the leading republican candidate has been indicted four times. Who can say whats ahead, and our allies around the world. South korea, japan, everywhere in Europe Wonder<\/a> whats ahead for the United States<\/a>. I think this administration is trying to build some things, some structural things that will last into the future to reassure people, no matter what happens in this topsyturvy election period thats ahead, theres some fundamentals of u. S. Foreign policy that have bipartisan support, that will be based in relationships, alliances that ought to ensure. I think thats important. I think its reassuring to our friends and allies. I think its good basic Foreign Policy<\/a>. Im glad theyre doing it. Today is a big day in that. David ignatius, dan de luce, thank you, gentlemen, much appreciated. Just in the last hour, new reporting that suggests former President Trump<\/a> is saying thanks, but no thanks to next weeks president ial debate. Is that a smart political move . But first, a birthday full of love. Butterflies and lots of sweets. Former first Lady Rosalynn<\/a> carter, turning 96 today, at their georgia home, marking it with her long time president. Mr. Carter has been diagnosed with dementia, and the former president is nearing 99 remaining at home in hospice care. They are mostly keeping things quiet, but they add she does plan to eat cupcakes and ice cream, Peanut Butter<\/a> flavored of course, and she also will be releasing butterflies in her garden, a nod to her childhood, so we say to her, happy birthday, and well be right back. Y birthday, and well be right back liberty mutual, mom. They customize your Car Insurance<\/a> so you only pay for what you need. You could save 700 dollars just by switching. Ooooh, let me put a reminder on my phone. On the top of the pile oh. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. [sneeze] astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other Allergy Sprays<\/a> take hours. 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Its the Big Breaking Headline<\/a> from the new york times. Donald trump plans to skip the first Republican Debate<\/a> scheduled for wednesday and instead sit for an online interview with exfox news host Tucker Carlson<\/a>. We should note that trumps spokesperson told nbc news they, quote, havent confirmed anything on their end. Well, as we wait to see what happens, a prominent republican strategist is warning that a decision to skip the debate may come back to haunt trump. Take a listen to karl rove. If he doesnt show up there are going to be people to say to themselves, didnt he tell us, didnt he mock joe biden for not debating, and hasnt he said hes the worlds greatest debater. Maybe theres something he wont want to talk about, and doubts will begin to grow. Doubts are growing. At the same time, the candidate with arguably the most to win over lose at the debate, ron desantis, denies even knowing about a Debate Strategy Memo<\/a> that suggests, among other things, that he hammer away at Vivek Ramaswamy<\/a> and that he should quote, invoke a personal anecdote story about family, kids, casey, showing emotion, a nod to his reputation for chilly awkwardness. Lets ask tim miller, former Communications Director<\/a> for jeb bushs 2016 campaign, a writer at large for the bulwark and an msnbc political analyst. I wonder what you make of this times reporting if hes going to stay away from the debate, go talk to tucker, and is karl rove right, its going to make him look like a chicken . I wish. I mean, look, i hate to say this, i wish karl rove is right, but this guy has been wrong for nine years, maybe longer. Hes wishing for a party that doesnt exist anymore. Like hes wishing that things are back in the days of rove. The Republican Voters<\/a> arent going to think donald trump is scared for not going to the debate. They agree with donald trump, why should he debate, hes winning by 40, 50 points. Every week his poll numbers go up american voters, every indictment his polls go up. He didnt show up to the first debate in 2016. Like, this is all just karl rove wish casting that has nothing to do with reality, and i never expected him to show up to the debate, and i i think the only reason that he ever will is out of pure narcissism if he decided he cant get enough of the spotlight. Thats why hes going to test out this tucker strategy. If hes unhappy with the amount of attention he gets, like a child, he might try to get attention at a future debate, but certainly not, i dont see any reason he would do this one. The word people used a lot when that he talked about him not showing up was counter program. How strong of a Counter Programming Move<\/a> is this . I mean, are millions of people going to watch Tucker Carlson<\/a> instead of the debate . I think its a weak one, to be honest, as a comparison to the other alternativings. People are out there saying, he should go get arraigns that day. That would certainly be Counter Programming<\/a>. Its arguable whether its a good Counter Programming<\/a> to get a mug shot the day the others are debating. That would have dominated the coverage, for example. There will be discussion of the Tucker Carlson<\/a> debate. That move seems like the path of least resistance. They have a beef with fox. Donald trump doesnt think fox is nice enough to him believe it or not. Tucker carlson was obviously fired. Then you have that new desantis debate memo. Yesterday former republican congresswoman Barbara Comstock<\/a> predicted if the governor did follow the advice, it could be the beginning of the end for his campaign. I want to play a little bit of what she said. You can see why ron desantis is sinking like a stone. And if youre going to take on the front runner, take on the front runner. Taking on Vivek Ramaswamy<\/a> is not going to get you into first place. I mean, put a fork in ron desantis. If he wasnt already done, this memo is going to do him in. Whats your take on that memo, and what does desantis need to do on wednesday . Yeah, Barbara Comstock<\/a> has her finger on the pulse of the reality of whats happening in the republican primary. Kudos to her, im a big fan of hers. Usually i would say this is inside baseball. Campaigns make mistakes. You know it, you were there. This one is just so embarrassing. And it comes at such a terrible time. He was already sinking like a stone as Barbara Comstock<\/a> said. Now he has the super pac, these republican consultants, these elites, these big money donors, telling him what to do, talking to him like a baby, you know, giving him fake nicknames to try on with vivek, telling him he should shy away from trump. It makes him look so small. This is one of the Process Stories<\/a> that i think speaks to a larger rob in his campaign, and i think it was an absolutely massive bungle. Tim miller, i dont know if im supposed to say this on tv, dont get mad at me, is there somebody in your family starting school . Started kindergarten yesterday. Everybodys trying to make me cry on tv. I wont do it, congratulations, shes going to be great. Thank you, tim. We have breaking news on the former president s legal battle with writer e. Jean carroll. A judge ruled trump filed a frivolous appeal of the decision tied to carrolls claim that he raped her. The judge denied trumps bid to put the case against him on hold. This means as of now, e. 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Reporter outrage in mississippi, a judge declaring a mistrial in the case of two white men accused of trying to murder demontario gibson, A Black Fedex<\/a> driver who had just made a delivery. The court has no choice but to grant the motion for a mistrial. Gibsons mother escorted from court after judge david strongs ruling, a day after a Police Officer<\/a> admitted to withholding evidence. Brookhaven Police Detective<\/a> Vincent Fernando<\/a> saying under oath that authorities had taken a video taped statement from gibson but did not share it with either the defense or prosecution as was required. The failure to turn over matters in discovery is just something that cant be ignored. In 17 years, i dont think ive ever seen it happen. But it happened here. A mistrial is a major hiccup for the prosecution, but all in all, a second trial really zaps the resources of the defense more than the state. Reporter Brookhaven Police<\/a> have not responded to nbc newss request for comment. Gibson says in january of 2022, he made a delivery in his fed ux uniform, when gregory case and his son Brandon Allegedly Chased<\/a> and shot at him. Gregory cases Attorney Says<\/a> his client only planned to ask the driver what was happening outside his motherinlaws home. But the driver did not stop. Gibson believes he was chased because hes black. In a statement, gibsons attorney calling the Mistrial A Delay<\/a> in justice, calling on the Department Of Justice<\/a> to investigate the Brookhaven Police<\/a> department. Jesse kirsch, nbc news. For more, i want to bring in veteran prosecutor, paul henderson, its always good to see you, paul. Jesse talked about the outrage people felt when this mistrial was declared. Is that an appropriate response, and did, honestly, the judge have any choice here . You know, he didnt. This is an outrageous case that should not have happened and unfolded this way, and the judge did not have any other option other than to declare a mistrial in a case like this. One of the interesting things about this case is now it has to go back through pretrial. It has to go back through a discovery. They have to pick an entirely new jury. And just so were clear, because it was declared a mistrial, there is no issue of double jeopardy, but there is an unnecessary delay because of the Police Conduct<\/a> in this case, and justice delayed is justice denied. Its ridiculous. This is exactly why the victim in this case is calling on the doj to do an investigation both for a pattern and practice from the police department, and in the possible Hate Crime Allegations<\/a> for the charges for the case on hand. The case that were talking about, it couldnt be more black and white, pun intended. In terms of whats happened in this case and how we got here in the first place. What did happen . Because anybody who watches a legal procedural on tv will tell you that that had to be turned over. It had to be turned over. The Police Conduct<\/a> in this case is really outrageous, and its not just that they failed to turn over the Video Testimony<\/a> of the actual victim but on top of that, they also failed to turn over the gun evidence from the defendants that are charged in this case as well. This is a year and a half after the incident took place, and thats got to be at the core of the prosecutions evidence that they would want to use that never got turned over from the police department. I think its really ridiculous, its not lost on me. A little bit of investigation into the town, and this is a town that is over 55 black. 75 of the arrests are black, though, and in this case, theres no civilian oversight. Im really concerned about what the accountability will be not just for this case, but for the behavior of Law Enforcement<\/a> and that inspector that messed up this case, that led to this mistrial in the first place, chris. Were going to continue to follow that. But theres also a new development in the tyre nichols case of the black man who died a few days after he was pulled over and beaten by officers in memphis. The d. A. In tennessee has now had to drop more than 30 cases that those same officers were involved in, and he said in a statement, the primary consideration is concern about the credibility as witnesses of discharged officers. Whats the message here . Well, the message here is this is something that frequently happens when an officer gets charged, and that evidence is brady evidence, so that information, when an officer gets charged has to be turned over and if as a prosecutor you cant prove your cases without that officer, you have to dismiss those cases because you have to turn over both information that could be used to impeach your evidence and information that could be exculpatory for the defense, and so this is a common practice, and its not contingent on a final verdict for a trial. It triggers charging from the prosecution, when a prosecutor believes that an individual committed the crime and that they could prove the case. Thats the charging, thats the trigger. Thats when the information has to be turned over to the defense, and so if you cant prove your case, but for those witnesses, those officers, you have to dismiss those cases thats whats happening here, its just another delay and dispoint, though. 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The net effect, people are being priced out of what has long been considered a key part of the American Dream<\/a>. Home ownership. And that potentially creates a political problem for joe biden. Cnbcs Morgan Brennan<\/a> joins us for cnbc on msnbc, and were also joined by basil smikle, democratic strategist, and former chair of the democratic party. Morgan, bottom line, what does all of this mean for home buyers . I think the bottom line means housing affordability, already at historic lows is getting worse. 21 years ago, thats the last time that we saw the average 30year fixed Rate Mortgage<\/a> was this high, 7. 09 , thats according to freddie mac, thats with 20 down and excellent credit. Its up from a week before, up dramatically from a year ago when they were just over 5 . Why were seeing this increase in Mortgage Rates<\/a>. While the yields on the tenyear treasury bond, to which Mortgage Rates<\/a> or other types of interest tied, that has surged as Economic Data<\/a> has been better than expected. Its put upward pressure on Mortgage Rates<\/a> which are double what they were than a year and a half ago. Higher Mortgage Rates<\/a> can add hundreds of dollars to monthly housing payments. It makes buying a home more expensive, but it also keeps some folks who otherwise might have sold their properties from doing so, especially if they locked in on much lower rates previously. That keeps some Housing Inventory<\/a> off the market. So its a combination of low inventory and high costs that are squeezing would be home buyers and sending home sales down about 20 versus this time last year. But its really that supply Demand Imbalance<\/a> in general thats being exacerbated by affordability issues thats actually keeping home prices from falling further as well. Thats the irony here. Its the reason Goldman Sachs<\/a> revised itself forecast for hom year and a 3. 5 jump for home prices next year. Well see where rates go from here. Expectations higher at least in the near tomorrow. Morgan brennan, thank you for that. So Home Ownership<\/a> is an emotional thing and part of the American Dream<\/a> for people to buy that first home. You start to get a little more successful, so to move up, what morgan was talking about, if you cant do that, that brings inventory down. What kinds of political challenges does something this emotional, this tied to the American Dream<\/a>, mean for joe biden . I think about the juxtaposition. A few years ago we were talking about moratoriums on evictions because we were so concerned about peoples housing insecurities. Now you have news like this. So the American Dream<\/a> is becoming farther and favrt out of touch, out of reach for so many americans. In spite of all the good Economic News<\/a> that the white house likes to tout, this is where maybe the rubber meets the road for some people. It does. It affects two important constituencies for democrats, one, millennials, those Young Americans<\/a> who are looking to buy their first home or have been living in Rental Properties<\/a> for a period of time, kind of going back and forth, and looking for a home as well. This makes it much more difficult for them to be able to purchase that home, especially if youre coming out of college. Talking about 21 years, i graduated college 30 years ago, i hate to say that, but its true. Did you buy a house right out of college . You would understand how to plan for that, and youre thinking about what that job is going to be, what the wage is and the growth of those wages would be like. It becomes much more difficult to do that as youre graduating now. It also affects another market, the rental market. If you cant buy a home, youll be in a rental property. And rental costs are going up significantly. Manhattans probably an anomaly, but the median rent in manhattan is 4500 a month. If you think about the fact that rents will become more expensive, it puts a strain on the availability of people looking to build wealth through Home Ownership<\/a>. Let me ask you about this latest poll. 34 of americans think the economy is good. Thats all. President biden has been going out day after day, week after week, toutingbidenomics. Is it a warning sign . It is. I do believe bidenomics a is working, but we has to have specific conversations with those young voters. This is affecting them. Layer on top, student loan debt, so many young voters are thinking about now and wanting the administration to do more. Theyve done a lot. But they want the Biden Administration<\/a> to do more. You layer that debt on top of the cost of Home Ownership<\/a>, it puts people in a very precarious situation. These are people that need to come out and vote. It also impacts the suburbs. There are a lot of governors that are trying to increase Affordable Housing<\/a> in the suburbs. A lot of pushback on that. A fine line that a lot of leaders have to talk. Basil, thank you. A new frontier in the highly competitive global space race. The moons south pole. The countries that are now rushing to explore Uncharted Territory<\/a> and the Infinite Possibilities<\/a> it could unlock. fan 1 there ya go thats what im talkin about josh allen is this your plan to watch the game today . hero fan uh, yea. I have to watch my neighbors Nfl Sunday Ticket<\/a>. josh allen its not your best plan. But you know what is . Myplan from verizon. 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They never landed kozma naughts, but luna would be the first to land on the south side working to confirm the presence of frozen water which could be 01 day used for rocket fuel. Russias Space Agency Says<\/a> the moon could be the launching plan to extend. Theyve launched on the south pole. Reporter that ice is why the u. S. Plans to land artemis astronauts in 2025, but china is also aiming for pole. I dont want china to get to the south pole first with humans. And then say this is ours. Stay out. Is it starting to feel real . Its starting to feel very real. Reporter at Kennedy Space<\/a> center, the first crew who will orbit the moon since apollo have inspected the spaceship that will take them there next year. Were all smiles of course. Its pretty inspiring. Reporter nasas goal similar to what russia and china are planning. Ultimately, nasa wants to create an Artemis Base Camp<\/a> on the moon and use that to go to mars. Tom, i think the space race is really between us and china, and we need to protect the interests of the international community. Reporter nelson insists the u. S. Would never lock out others, but the new space race is accelerating. Tom costello, nbc news, at the Kennedy Space<\/a> center. That does it for us this hour. Join us for Chris Jansing<\/a> reports every weekday from 1 00 p. M. To 3 00 p. M. Eastern on msnbc. Our continue coverages with katy tur right now. Good to be with you. Im katy tur. President Joe Biden Standing<\/a> alongside leaders of japan and south korea. A firstofitskind trilateral meeting at camp david. Japanese Prime Minister<\/a> Fumio Kishida<\/a> and South Korean President<\/a> yoon sukyeol will deliver remarks alongside President Biden<\/a> in just a moment. Since they are both individually our allies, you might wonder what makes this so special. South korea and japan are not exactly chummy. 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