Us this evening. Law enforcement officials expect donald trump to turn himself in a Fulton County jail in atlanta, georgia late next week, where he will be booked and processed on criminal charges brought by the d. A. Down there, fani willis. This is all expected to happen sooner than next thursday, which is one day after the first republican president ial debate in milwaukee, wisconsin. And on that note, nbc news is also reporting that after quite a bit of back and forth, donald trump has officially decided not to attend that first debate which is being hosted by fox news. Instead, trump is seeking a sitdown interview with the former fox news host, Tucker Carlson, as a means of counter programming the republican debate. This is not something that fox and the rnc can be happy about at all. And it is shaping up to be yet another chapter in the long running saga between donald trump and fox news. The network that helped make donald trump president in the first place. Let me step back a bit here, do you remember the first time trump ever participated in a republican primary debate . It was august of 2015, and that debate, much like the coming one, was hosted by the Republican National committee and fox news. Meghan kelly was one of the moderators. When she asked trump about some of the absolutely via linguist that he had used to describe women in the past, trump was incensed. Trump took his grievances to err on another cable news network. He gets out, and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. You can see that there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. After that, trump boycotted the fox news debate because the network refused to remove megyn kelly as a moderator. By the war with fox did not last long. When trump became the republican nominee, fox mary much went along for the ride. Meghan kelly left the network citing donald trump as the reason for her exit. When that happened, the relationship between trump and fox was cemented. Since then, the network has shown Trump Undying loyalty. We saw that in the Dominion Voting Systems Lawsuit which cost the network more than three quarters of a billion dollars. Fox news hosts knew that trumps election lies were baseless, but they continued to promote them in order to preserve the relationship with trump and his supporters. Even as fox hosts were complaining about trump behind the scenes. Tucker carlson, while he was still a fox news star, told a colleague at one point of trump, i hate him passionately. I cant handle much more of this. Then, referring to trumps presidency, carlson said we are all pretending weve got a lot to show for it because admitting what a disaster it has been is too tough to digest. So, fox has been at the mercy of donald trump four years. As a result, has defended and promoted trump in ways that would have previously been unthinkable. And fox is not alone in this. The same abusive relationship trump has with folks, he also has with the Republican Party. Over the course of his presidency, trump turned the Republican National committee of the rnc into his lapdog. Trump forced the rnc to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own personal legal bills. At one point, the rnc spent 100,000 just to boost the sales of a book written by trumps adult son, don junior. Trump even managed to get the rnc involved in this plot to overturn the 2020 election using fake electors. The chair of the rnc, monica daniels, told the January 6th Committee that trump and his lackeys called her up and demanded that the Republican Party assist with his plot. According to the federal indictment, that kept trump up to speed on all the fake electoring that was happening. So, a lot of work these guys have put in for donald trump. They weathered lawsuits and criminal probes and public humiliation. You name it, theyve done it. And now the rnc and fox news is hosting a debate. A big Ticket Advent that they are desperate to have him attend. We know that because the night that donald trump received his third indictment, the New York Times reports that trump was having a private dinner with fox News Executives who are trying to convince trump to participate in next weeks debates. And one of the control this . Not just a sorry guys, not this time, you know. Trumps counter programming their debate. Hes actively trying to take audience away from fox and the rnc. Is this what loyalty gets you in the Republican Party these days . If so, was all of the lying and prostrateing in front of donald trump, was it worth it . Joining me now is former congressman and republican dave jolly. David jolly, i find this so utterly humiliating for these two institutions, fox news and the rnc. I wonder do you wonder if it was the Loyalty Pledge that all the candidates have to agree to that they will support the nominee no matter who it is . Do you think that is the reason hes not doing this . When you look into the mind of someone like donald trump, a scary dark place though it may be, what do you see . I think it might be better. It is his wrong ego and also the stature of a former president. For your point, he not only humiliated but he crushed the hopes of the rnc. Now it allows more americans to hear from the candidate supposed to hearing donald trump mop up the stage with his ego and his vanities. I do think that they revealed something about Donald Trumps ideas going to the next week and in some ways, informed how he is looking at the contrast in this race. Donald trump has a Couple Options to counter program. He could lean into the chaos theory of surrender for arrest and only new cycle with the mugshot. And i am a victim in the deep state of weaponization in all of these arguments and drown out whatever is happening on the debate stage. But he didnt really do that. It appears that he is going for the i am going to sit down as a former president. Im sure we will hear the election was stolen, and all of those things, but im thinking hes trying to set himself out as a candidate of one. There is one donald trump, hes sitting down with Tucker Carlson as a former president , and the leader in the race, and he will lead on the kids in the sandbox ever debate. And the next morning, it is telling that he doesnt really want to lean into the indictment and arrest says the counter programming would suggest, even donald trump knows that some themes of his candidacy just are too hot. In some ways, dave, hes having his cake and eating it to. We are hearing the arraignment is going to be no earlier than thursday. In theory, he can step on the afterglow if that is what you want to call it, of the debate, by getting arraigned. Which seems like, again, a very odd thing to try to sell yourself with a criminal indictment. Nonetheless, maybe that is part of the playbook. I am sort of confused by the fact that hes choosing to sit down with Tucker Carlson. A man who said, hes in a court filing, saying that i hate donald trump passionately. Timmy, that seems like the sort of thing that would be unforgivable in the book of trump. But no . Hes transactional. Im surprised because how do you even watch Tucker Carlson these days . Truly, how are the republican super voters able to watch the counter programming that donald trump is trying to achieve . I think that is a fair question. Perhaps that is a misstep of the president. I think that you nailed it. Theres a sequence here. He is waiting for the indictment and the arrest until the next day because then, who is going to remember anything that was said the night before . Donald trump, what we do know, he knows how to own a cycle and he puts issues in front of the country that simply have to be covered, right . The former president is being arrested and arraigned in a significant criminal trial, in georgia, that has to be covered. Whatever happens on the debate stage the night before really is an afterthought. I guess i wonder what you think that does to the debate itself. Beyond the fact that there are certainly will not be the fireworks, presumably, that there would be if trump was there. Does it really relegate the entire crop of president ial candidates to an afterthought . At this point, with 91 Felony Charges against him, the fact that he is the prohibited front runner so much so that he doesnt even need to attend the debate, really tells you something about the modern State Of Affairs in the Republican Party. It really does. I think that data released by Ron Desantiss super pac this week confirms that. That you are not going to see data supported attacks on donald trump. You will see that chris christies, and others who go at donald trump, but we also know that they are out a step with todays Republican Party. Even if they are in line with the right side of history. So i think what you will see is all of the other candidates defend donald trump, they are sympathetic, maybe he will take the position that he is too distracted, or he has not won, but that would be the hardest hit. The theme i am looking for, actually, it arose out of kathy barnetts senate race in pennsylvania when she was running against doctor oz and others. She started to make a move, and trump hit her, she said listen, monica does not belong to one person. It belongs to all of us. And just as you give donald trump the opportunity to be a vessel for a, i hope that you will consider me as a vessel as well. I think you will see variations on that theme from every republican. Sympathies towards donald trump, allegiance towards donald trump by trying to present themselves as an alternative that perhaps could win, and ultimately advance the cause for a greater than trump, good. If he loses. Wow. Maga vessels everywhere. One last one, dave. In terms of fox news, do you think that we could force is there a chance that fox news actually im not going to say breaks with trump, because i know the answer to that question. But the Adoration Parade maybe lessons to some degree in the coming months . Yes. I think there will be a hit on the debate stage. There are postures that will be different now because they got left at the altar after Begging Trump to join, trump flirted with the idea, but they know that this debate is simply not the same for the country or the party or their ratings without the trump being there. It is simply the undercard, if you, will of people trying to get in the second place. So fox is going to stick with trump for ratings and for profit and all of that but they are also not going to take it lying down. I dont know if that hit is going to be, is that something the moderator delivers, it is something that is done by the editorial board, you know, the editorial decisions with fox . I think there will be something. I mean, its certainly an embarrassing turn of events, thats all ill say. Former congressman david jolly, thank you for your perspectives, i appreciate your time. 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And the video, chesebro is identified as the one in a red trump maga hot, marching alongside ali jones. Chesebro is one of trumps 18 codefendants and d a in georgia. Chesebro also appears to be a coconspirator number five, and chesebro is sort of everywhere, literally speaking. And while there is no indication that mr. Chesebro entered the capitol or acted violently on january 6th, this could greatly complicate his legal defense. As Law Professor notes, this evidence could be decided by prosecutors as further proof that chesebro was not operating as a bona fide legal advisor, but rather was an activist aligned in the cause to overturn the 2020 election. Joining me now is christie greenberg, a former federal prosecutor for the Southern District of new york, where she served as the deputy chief of the criminal division. Thank you for being with me on this friday night. I wonder if you agree with ryan goodmans assessment that the presence of chesebro, on the january 6th insurrection, though not acting violently, could be a real problem for the defense he is trying to mount in a federal indictment . Absolutely, it could. His lawyers are going to portray him as a lawyer sitting in his office, turning out memos, sending out legal theories, and just offering potential options to a client. But his presence at the capitol really shatters that image. This is no longer a theory, it is action. Hes not this passionate lawyer, he has got the red trump path on. Hes filming as the crowd is getting rowdier and rowdier. He is in the presence of a known conspiracy theorist, alex jones, and he actually went into a restricted area at the capitol, as well. So, you know, this sh