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The planet one. Im ayman, lets get started. But first, we want to begin with some Breaking News on Hurricane Hilary. The National Weather service forecasters are saying that that has just been downgraded. Hillary is now a category two hurricane, with estimated sustained winds at a maximum of hundred ten miles per hour. Rain and wind ahead of the storm are already affecting parts of [interpreter] county, that is the eastern part of san diego county. And riverside county, just north of imperial county. Those areas could end up bearing the brunt of the storms rain. The very latest from the National Hurricane center it continues to warn is likely. We are going to bring you quick updates throughout the night on the trajectory of that storm, and if we get any more news we will bring that to you as soon as possible. But switching away from Hurricane Hilary for a moment, and focusing tonight on some new developments and quite frankly, a new timeline in the Georgia Election interference case. This week, the disgraced ex president and several members of his inner circle were hit with Felony Charges in connection with their efforts to overturn the 2020 president ial Election Results in georgia. The Fulton County district attorney, fani willis, says that the Arrest Warrant has now been issued for all defend its, which have until Friday August 25th to surrender voluntarily. According to new reporting from nbc news, three senior Law Enforcement Officials Say they expect trump to surrender no earlier than this upcoming thursday. That would be the day before that deadline. Arraignments are set to take place of the week of september 5th, with a proposed trial date of march 4th. Thats just one day before super tuesday. News reports that attorneys for trump or expected to meet early next week with the Fulton County district attorneys office, in order to negotiate the terms of the ex president s a bond package. News of that meeting comes just after trump canceled a monday press conference, you remain remember, he was supposed to unveil socalled evidence of fraud in georgias 2020 president ial election, setting the advice of his lawyers. Though, it doesnt look like thats happening. One look at his 41 count indictment, and you can kind of understand why trumps attorneys advised him to hit the brakes on at that press conference, if you will. Now, sweeping 98page documents really give us a most competitive look at how trump and his allies basically schemed to steal the election, including the quote, Criminal Enterprise that they built to do so. And at the heart of williss case is one specific georgia statute. The Racketeer Influence and corrupt organization, or as it is commonly known if you watch any movies or Law And Order episodes, rico law. It is a powerful tool that allows prosecutors to bundled together what may seem like unrelated crimes or events committed by a host of different people. If those crimes are perceived to be in support of a common goal. Its also ironically a law that helped a bolster the career of one of the codefendants in this case, Rudy Giuliani. I do think that the work in my office and other parts of the Justice Department have changed the definition of the problem of crime in america. Were going to attack it as a business, not just as individual crime. We followed up with some rico cases, and at some point in the future, i was the first one to use the racketeering statute, for public corruption. So, the very same law that helped the former u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york lockup mobsters and grab the National Spotlight in the process, could now very well land him behind bars. That that stain sense of irony hardly applies to donald trump. Former trump fixer Michael Cohen once said his xbox quote, used Mafia Type Tactics to battle foes and advance his personal agenda. And im sure you may remember trumps socalled perfect phone call with volodymyr zelenskyy, which he then the president asked ukraines leader, with a dialogue straight out of a monster movie, quote, do us a favor. So while trump has been compared to a mafia boss many times throughout this year, this weeks indictment as the new yorkers Susan Glasser points out, marks the first time anyone has done so in a court of law. And its this rico statute, along with several other factors unique to georgia, that really make williss investigation perhaps the most challenging legal case for team trump. See, if the ex president doesnt take back at the white house in 2024, that job comes with a huge perk for donald trump. He has the ability to pardon himself of any federal charges. At least, thats what most scholars think, but that is still debatable. However, that power does not apply to state crimes. In georgia, unlike in many other states, theres even an added twist. Its not up to the governor of georgia to actually issue pardons, instead, that power rests with a fiveperson panel. To make matters even more difficult for trump, the board only considers applications for pardons beginning at least five years after an individual has completed their sentence. Theres another factor that makes georgia so unique, and its one that trump may not like. Transparency in the courtroom. State law requires that cameras be allowed in judicial proceedings with a judges approval. And that means that over the next few months, americans from coast to coast could have the opportunity to tune in as the Sprawling Conspiracy case unfolds live on tv. So, if donald trump can attempt to run both for president and from his legal woes, this latest indictment in georgia proves there may be nowhere left for him to hide. Here to discuss all of this, david henderson, Civil Rights Attorney and greg bluestein, political reporter for the atlanta journalconstitution. Hes also a political contributor. And michelle goldberg, columnist for the New York Times and it and msnbc political analyst. All three great friends of the show, great to have you back. Its quite the week, both politically and legally. Well start with the legal stuff. David, breakdown for us how rico was used for this, and why the use of the statute could make this case the ex president s force indictment, and by some assessment, the most damaging one. I do think this is the most damaging one. I think the primary reason is because of fani willis herself. And i say this because she is going after former President Trump the way that prosecutors typically go after defend. It it basically says for the good of the country, we have fully in Fulton County, if you create a Criminal Enterprise and youre stealing, i dont care if its Stealing Test Scores for teachers, i dont care if its a gangs involved in violent activity, if youre trying to steal an election, i am coming after you. And its almost like having all six infinity stones, because it gives her an incredible amount of power inside the courtroom. The january six proceedings, and if your lawyer like me, youre thinking this evidence is overwhelmingly bad. But how are you going to get you talk about it all in the case. A lot of it isnt admissible. But fani willis said it best herself, the rico statute allows you to tell the jury the entire story of what happened. Whereas over acts like Giuliani Attacking Ruby Freeman and shaye moss would normally be inadmissible, in a rico case, you can talk about all of it. And the reason thats important is because a jury doesnt need a good case, a jury needs a bad guy to convict. And there are an infinite number of ways that you can prove the former President Trump is exactly that when this goes to trial. Really quickly, david, how does this play out with 19 defendants . Obviously the 19 or not going to be on trial at once, or they . Well, fani willis says she intends to try them all at once. And i have to be honest with you, ive never seen a case like that before. I treat Child Advocacy and i never tell my students, try a case by yourself. Always get your mom there if you have to take notes with you. That means youre talking about 19 defendants, 38 lawyers, thats 57 people. And 19 people objecting at any given point in time. But this takes me back to my original point, shes treating him like any other defendant, and her expectation is that shes going to squeeze people, people will flip, there plead, will drop out before this goes to trial, so that number will get lower down. So, to davids point about the fact that fani willis is really coming at this hard with the racketeering charge, this isnt the first time shes used this expensive law in georgia. She is widely considered an expert, shes even brought on somebody whos even more of an expert or consider to be more of a rico expert. How does the d. A. s history play into this specific case with this law . Yeah, shes telegraphed that she would seek rico charges from the very beginning, including xi brought out our eco expert, but she herself is a rico expert. About a decade ago, she brought rico charges against a group of School Teachers and administrators that were perpetrating an Atlanta School cheating scandal. And was successful in it. So she herself has used rico charges to go after street gangs, to go after cheating teachers. And now, potentially, after the former president. So she is kind of honed this craft over the last decade, and has the expertise in office to be able to pursue these charges. Michelle, as i mentioned, donald trump over the years has been often compared to a crime boss from people like Michael Cohen, from people that have observed him and the way he talks, even the way that he operates, doesnt write things down, takes a step back, other people fall for him. What does it mean for someone like trump who has spent his entire business and political career behaving, speaking like a monster, to be essentially called a mob stir in a court of law . I think thats why this indictment was so clarifying. And dare i even say so satisfying. Because we see trump indicted obviously three times before this, but to have trump and his operation, forthrightly referred to as a Criminal Enterprise, which hes always run his political career as a political enterprise. He ran the white house in many ways as a Criminal Enterprise. But there is something of affirming after having watched this kind of avalanche of lies and corruption and scandal and s kind of an anti authoritarianism. To have somebody call it what it is has been such a relief. And i think for trump, even these put aside the very real possibility that he could spend the rest of his life in prison, and adjust the fact that he is going to have to sit there every day, in one courtroom after another, somebody whos never been able to sit still, somebody who kind of cant has no attention span, who has never been able to be undistracted for any length of time. Day after day he is going to have to sit there on television probably, in the case of georgia, listening to the evidence against him. Its as if he had to sit through the January 6th Hearings. And i think its so important that the January 6th Hearings, we saw the effect not just david spoke about a jury. But in terms of the populace. We saw the effect that the January 6th Hearings had on the american population. And now we have an opportunity to recapitulate that, for people to remember just what he put this country through. Thats such an important point as well, because he plays so much to the public audience. Not specifically to the court, so itll be important that that is counter waited by the fact that the American People will be able to see directly for themselves the case made against donald trump. David, let me ask you just from a legal strategy here, in the dojs election interference case, trump is the only one facing charges in georgia. That is not the case, and because he cannot pardon if he is elected, or if a republican president s election in the cycle, this cannot if they do get convicted. Could the stiff penalties associated with rico incentivize these defendants to cooperate in this case, unlike perhaps in another case . Perhaps like in the documents case, where you have walt nauta and others that are codefendants . Hers absolutely. And this builds on rachels point. There are a number of different Pressure Points this case is going to place on people, that our federal prosecution would. Not the least of which is not only are you looking at time, but youre looking at time in the state pen. That tends to make people have an awareness, other types of incorporation , i think the picture gets complex if you think about it, because so far none of these charges have gone to trial very quickly, and they take an incredibly long time to try. The case against the teachers with the test scores such a record in georgia, it lasted for eight months. So the real issue is not simply whether or not former President Trump is reelected, whether he can pardon himself, but can also make the argument that look, i cant be tried up in a trial that is going to last up to a year, which is more realistic, while im running for president. And i hate to say it, but i think he has a chance of succeeding with that argument. The flipside is, he is running for president , to raise money to pay his lawyers. If he is not reelected, i dont know how he can continue to pay these legal bills for any period of time, considering this case and all the legal battle hes fighting, because however that bill is now, its going to be eclipsed once we actually start getting to trial. Because lawyers cost a whole lot more when youre in court. The grift continues. Greg, let me ask you. You follow georgia politics a lot more than i do, but everybodys been following georgia politics the last couple of years. Youve got some new reporting on how brian kemp, the governor down there, and other Top Republican officials, theyre brushing up calls from Trump Supporters to i think that most americans would find that to be egregious just by looking at it, changing the rules just for trump. But what or the ex president s supporters asking for, and how is the governor responding . Yeah, theres such a high bar in georgia to issue a pardon. First of all, as you mentioned earlier, the governor doesnt have the right power and then to be eligible, you have to have serve your complete sentence and then wait five years and then be in good standing. So that means that even if there was some sort of power to pardon trump here in georgia, you have to serve a sentence and wait five years. So it already calls to review theres pardons, first of all, we take s, and the governor ands said they have no appetite for this. Theres also a separate call for a special legislative session to review fani willis and potentially try to sanction her or oust her from office. And again, key Republican Leaders in the Georgia Legislature and georgia government say they have absolutely no appetite for that either. In fact, there is a State Senator who made that call, who signed a petition, and as of right now theres only one lawmaker on the petition. I have to ask you, we were supposed to hear from trump on monday at that planned press conference, where he promised to produce irrefutable evidence the 2020 election was stolen. Him and mike lindell seemed to be the only two qatari people pursuing that. The ex president has now canceled those public remarks, and the release of this socalled report. Why do you think he is finally taking the advice of his lawyers, and how long do you think this behavior could last . Well, look. I think we saw one of his former lawyers on television saying that he is going to give the prosecutors more evidence, with this is going to be another overt act, when he shows up for this press conference. And so, look. I dont think we could say how long hes going to take his lawyers advice, because he is such an impulsive figure. He is going to be on debate stages, its really going to be able to refrain from either intimidating or suggesting that mike pence, a probable witness against him, not testify . Is he really going to be able to go however many months without breaking a law or at least rubbing right up against the edge of it . Hes never done that in the past. But i think the fact that he canceled his press conference, a, is a sign that there was nothing there to begin with, which was obvious, but also that he has at least momentary grasp of the seriousness of the charges against him. All right, michelle goldberg, greg bluestein, david henderson, thank you to the three of you for starting us off tonight. Greatly appreciate your time and your insights as always. Ahead, were going to continue the conversation with an important keep Donald Trumps georgia case out of Federal Court. One of the men making that plea, former deputy u. S. Attorney general donald ayer. He joins me live next to make his case. Mak his case his case tourists tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. So researchers can help life underwater flourish. 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Get way more into what your into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. This week, fani willis had all 19 defendants charged with racketeering in georgia. They have until Friday August 25th to appear voluntarily in court in Fulton County, rather than face arrests. But one of those defendants, mark meadows, is already asking the court to move his case to Federal Court. Lawyers for meadows said the case should be in Federal Court, because, quote, the conduct giving rise to the charges in the indictment all occurred during his tenure and as part of his service as Chief Of Staff to donald trump. Right after that, Rudy Giuliani said he would follow suit, arguing the case is qualified for an automatic removal to Federal Court, and again, it is expected that trump himself would file a similar request. My next guest says the case must remain in Fulton County, georgia. Donald ayer, deputy general and attorney under president Ronald Reagan has coauthored a new piece for the atlantic, arguing that taking this case to Federal Court, quote, would intrude on georges right and obligation to defend its own laws and choose its own president ial electors. Air joins me now. Mr. Air, its great to have you on the show. Again, please just expand on your thesis for us. Why is it important for this case to remain in georgia, and what is the probability that it stays in georgia . Thanks for having me, ayman. I think we have to understand what the purpose of a Removal Statute is, which has been on the books for well over 100 years. The purpose of it is to protect the conduct of important federal officials, and the performance of their jobs. So the statute has been interpreted, and clearly applied multiple times as limited by two sets of circumstances. First of all, the actions that are charged must in fact be taken in the course of performing your job. Its not enough that someone is in fact, as mark meadows is a federal official, the conduct actually has to be in the course of what they call under color of law, and in doing ones job. But the second requirement, which also has to be satisfied, is that the defendant must be alleging what they call on the statute, colorable federal defenses. Which is to say they actually have to be raising issues of federal law. Now, there are very good reasons, in this case, to believe that neither of those situations are met. Either for mark meadows or for Rudy Giuliani, or indeed for donald trump. There is, and correct me if im wrong, trump tried earlier this year to get his Hush Money Payment removed out of new york to a federal venue, which was rejected. And trump argued at the time, i believe, that the case belongs in Federal Court. The judge in that case said trump failed to show that he has a colorable federal defense to the indictment. Do you anticipate a similar defense here . Does what happened in manhattan with that decision apply to the georgia case . I think the same principles apply, but i think obviously this is a very, very different situation. The claim in that case was really quite laughable. The idea that the president in paying hush money was somehow, in the course of doing his job, and had some federal defense to it. Its really kind of a silly claim. Here, its also not at all a meritoriously claim. But you would at least need to talk about it. So, the first question here, is whether the president has any role to play with regard to overseeing the functioning of state electoral systems. The bottom answer is that he does not, and certainly he doesnt have a role to play in overseeing the president ial election, and obviously not in doing the things that are specific alleged. So with regard to that first requirement, that this is under color of law, that its actually the president or mark meadows in the course of doing their job, something that they are obligated to do as a federal official. They failed. Now with regard to the second requirement, youve got to have both in order to remove, there must be a plausible federal defense. Now what could that possibly be . What federal law defense that the theory would be that you want the Federal Court to be deciding this federal law defense, because the sort of Background Purpose of the statute was the worry that states might somehow interfere with the performance of federal functions. Well, the one argument the president has made over and over again in a general way, and has always been rejected, is basically a sweeping claim of immunity. He was the president , therefore nobody could prosecute him for anything, for anything he did while he was president. But again, the conduct that is at issue here isnt conduct that theres any plausible defense too. Now, another thing he said lately is that because he has a First Amendment argument that hes making. And thats been roundly rejected and really, i think, laughed at by a lot of people. Because the line, in fact the indictment jack smith submitted and filed, was one that clearly said, you have a right to say anything you want. But you dont have a right by your words or buy anything else to commit actual crimes. And thats a very, very clear live. So the argument that there is going to be a First Amendment defense to the specific conduct thats been alleged here, i think, is again not one thats serious and not one that will provide a basis for removal. Now, whats important to know is that when the Supreme Court has interpreted this statute, its recognized sort of two sides of the coin. On the one hand, the statute really does exist to protect federal officials who in performing their jobs, end up doing something that causes some harm and ends up having them be prosecuted by the state. So it clearly is an important statute in the right case. But the Supreme Court has also said repeatedly that there is a strong judicial policy against interfering with state criminal proceedings. And thats why they have recognized and theyve drawn these lines with regard to these defenses, the need for a federal defense and also the fact that youve got to be performing your job. Its not going to be persuasive to simply come in and say, i was president , and i shouldnt have to be accountable to the state of georgia for interfering with and trying to overturn what are, in that case, georges processes for handling the election. So i think courts are going to be very sensitive to that important respect for the state course. When the president does it, its not a crime. And i think a lot of Donald Trumps arguments are what hes doing, its not wrong, its not a crime because he thinks he was the president , therefore above the law. Former deputy u. S. Attorney general, always a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on tonight, hopefully well have you back on for more conversations like this. Next, the timeline of events over just three short months that brought donald trump to his fourth indictment. Were going to break it down for you. re going to break it down for you. For you. Day. Thats why they choose tmobile for business. Mlb partners with tmobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. Aaa relies on tmobiles network to stay connected nationwide, so they can help get their members back on the road. And were helping pano ai innovate, to stop the spread of wildfires. Nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network can do for your business. Trelegy for copd. Birds flyin high, you know how i feel. 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Learn more at boost. Com tv fani williss criminal indictment against donald trump and 18 others is the culmination of an investigation that has been going on for more than two and a half years. It is the most wide ranging indictment to date, and despite how much was carried out in the public eye, or has been since reported on, there is incredible amount of information in the indictment itself, that shows just how public actions fueled even more behind the scenes scheming. And to understand and fully appreciate this moment in this indictment, we have to go back to the very start, just after election day 2020. On november 4th, one day after votes are cast, as it becomes clear that donald trump might lose the election, he delivers a speech, hinting at a constitutional crisis. And the indictment says the speech was an overact in furtherance of the conspiracy. Days after on november 11th, President Biden is declared the president elect. Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger announces an audit of the president ial results because of the razorthin margin, and he says there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. On november 13th, Media Outlets project that President Biden has won the state of georgia, and two days later, on november 15th, Rudy Giuliani, one of trumps Election Attorneys and closest advisors, leaves an 83 second voice mail for an unindicted coconspirator, making what the indictment says are false statements about the Election Fraud in Fulton County. On november 19th, Election Officials complete their statewide hand audit, confirming bidens victory and a federal judge dismisses a trump backed lawsuit seeking to block the certification of georgias Election Results. That same day, giuliani and two other lawyers charged jenna alison sydney powell, they make false statements about voter fraud in georgia and other states during a televised press conference. On november 20th, Brad Raffensperger certifies biden as the winner, david schaffer, the former chair of the Republican Party, who was also indictment, sends an email that very same day seeking assistance for another lanta area Bail Bondsmen who was looking into Election Fraud on behalf of donald trump. He alleges this guy, schaffer, like the others, knew there was no such fraud. On november 25th, sydney foul files a lawsuit in georgia alleging a massive anti trump conspiracy involving rigged voting machines. And then youve got to fast forward to december 3rd. Attorneys for trump make the first of three appearances before state lawmakers, making what prosecutors say are false claims about Election Fraud in an effort to persuade them to reject the states duly elected and qualified president ial electors that were going to joe biden. December 5th, trump calls brian kemp, urges him to order a special legislative session to overturn bidens victory, georgias governor, brian kemp, rejects that. On december 6th, trump calls individual legislators, hoping to quote, find elected georgians willing to step across a constitutional line on his behalf. And then on december 7th, Brad Raffensperger rita certifies bidens win, following a recount requested by trumps campaign. The final tally shows that biden won by 11,779 votes. And thats an important number to remember, because the very next day, on the eight, trump and others called Ron Mcdaniels to seek the organizations help to coordinate the alleged fake electors scheme. It would end up involving Pro Trump Electors in georgia, as well as six other states. They are arizona, michigan, nevada, new mexico, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. And then on december 11th, the Supreme Court rejects the lawsuit seeking to invalidate williams of balance members of the electoral college, they meet and they actually award georgias 16 electoral votes to joe biden. Around the same time, a group of 16 Trump Supporters, well, theyre meeting at the Georgia State capital and theyre signing fake certificates, falsely proclaiming that donald trump is the winner of georgias electoral votes. And thats not the case. Those fake certificates are sent to the national archives, and thankfully, they are eventually rejected. December 23rd, trump calls frances watson. Shes the Chief Investigator for the georgia secretary of states office, and he tells watson that she would find dishonesty if she scrutinizes Absentee Ballots in Fulton County. And then on january 2nd, obviously not pleased with his call to watson, trump makes that now infamous phone call to Brad Raffensperger, pressuring him to quote, find 11,780 votes. That is one more vote then he needs to overcome bidens margin of victory. January 3rd and fourth are incredibly consequential days here, on the third, harrison floyd, the director of voices for trump, calls and texts rudy freeman, who was the Fulton County elections worker, floyd also calls trevian kutti. A publicist who has worked for kanye west. The next day cody and Floyd Pressure to lie. Members of the Enterprise Travel from out of state to arrest freeman, they intimidate her to falsely confessed to election climbs that he did not commit, all of this according to the indictment, and then freedom about the amount of harassment that she had to experience and endure. Now, all of that is going on, also on january the 3rd, u. S. Attorney lawrence of trumps call to Brad Raffensperger through media accounts. Hes disturbed, and leader tells u. S. Senate investigators that it was clear trump was ignoring doj reports, on the lack of Election Fraud. Trump uses about firing at an oval office meeting, the same day calling him a never trumper. It on january 4th, he resigns. And then there is of course january 6th. Trump mentions georgia 20 times at that infamous rally near the white house. He cites conspiracies about alleged irregularities, and says Election Officials should find those votes needed to overturn bidens victory. An angry mob then storms the capitol, and as we know, despite the attack, joe bidens 2020 victory is eventually certified by congress. But six of georgias eight house republicans, well, they vote to invalidate Election Results in other states. And the next day, kathy lincoln, the Republican Party chair in coffee county, georgia, brings the bill bondsman, scott graham hall, to the county Elections Office to breach election equipment. Latham, hall, sydney powell, and misty hinted, the countys elections director, they agreed to copy software and data from the equipment, according to prosecutors. Over several more days, unindicted coconspirators download that data, and then just one month later, february 10th, fani willis launches a criminal investigation into these efforts by trump and his allies to overturn georgias president ial Election Results. And this timeline is far from over. As we mentioned, it is been two and a half years into an investigation that still ongoing. And the very next day to look forward to, august 25th, that is the date by which fani willis wants the defendants to voluntarily surrender. Well see where it goes from there. Up next, the people in montana sue the state over Climate Change, and they won. The ruling, the first of its kind. Its now reverberating worldwide. Worldwide. What do we always say, son . Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance. So you only pay for what you need. Thats my boy. Stay off the freeways only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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Senior california officials are telling residents it is not too late to prepare for hurricane hillary, which is just been downgraded to a category two storm. Locals are being urged to sign up for alerts, have a go bag ready in case evacuations are required, and to stay in touch with family and friends. The Tropical Storm has made landfall in Southern California since 1939, you get a sense of how significant this moment is. This summer has quickly showed us the brutal reality of Climate Change, and as we see the impact of Climate Change in real time, kids in this country, who will live through much more of the Climate Crisis then we will, well, they are not taking it lying down. Back in march of 2020, 16 young people of montana came together and sued the governor, free state agencies, and the Public Service commission. They argue that mountainous pro Fossil Fuels Laws infringed on their constitutional right to a clean and helpful environment. And this week, believe it or not, they actually won their case. We montana is the first climate use case to ever go to trial in the united states, and the first to link Climate Change to a constitutional right. The state Attorney Generals Office is planning to file an appeal, but as it stands now, montana, the state that gets one third of its energy by burning coal, must consider Climate Change when approving or renewing fossil fuel projects. Joining me now, not julia olson, chief Legal Counsel at our childrens trust. That is the law firm representing the montana youth. This was a remarkable case, i was just fascinated by the story and the legal basis on which this case and this argument was built. First, let me just get your reaction to this historic win. I know youve been working on this case for years, it actually dates back to 2011 when your law firm petitioned the montana Supreme Court to rule that the state has a duty to address Climate Change. What does it feel like to have seen a victory that set a precedent for such an urgent cause . Thanks for having me on, its been an amazing week. Weve been working for 13 years to secure a ruling like this. We have brought about 20 plus cases, and this is the first one to actually go to trial, to be able to present Expert Testimony to have the youth plane to take the stand, and ultimately to get a really incredible ruling from judge seely in montana. Are you at all worried about the states promise to appeal this case . I mean, this would then ultimately send it to the state Supreme Court, and what confidence do you have that legislators in a Deep Red Montana will abide by the judges ruling . Youve got president ial candidates who are running on the platform of denying Climate Change, basically. Its hard to imagine that the Republican Party, which is the dominant party in montana, is willing to accept that Climate Change is real, based on this ruling. Its a really important reason why children and youth need to be heard by courts. Because, when you are in a court of law, politics are not at play. And there is a really strong in the Montana Constitution to have a clean and helpful into environment, it also protects childrens right to dignity, health, safety, and Equal Protection of the law. And the lower court, her heard all of the evidence over several days, she found an 100 pluspage opinion with the evidence supported finding that those fundamental rights are harmed when our Climate System is being so integrated by fossil fuel pollution. And so, were really optimistic, going up to the montana Supreme Court, that when they apply the constitution in this case, and look at the facts that were found in the lower court, this will prevail. You brought up a very important point about the judge s ruling and how it declared that montana had violated several of its constituents Constitutional Rights, including Equal Protection, dignity, i believe liberty, health, and safety. Talk to me a little bit about how all of this could be used as a blueprint for other states. How do you see this case reverberating across the country, based on the legal arguments that you successfully made . I think judge seelys opinion, and ultimately hopefully an opinion by the montana Supreme Court, will be very persuasive to judges in other jurisdictions. We have active cases panting in states like hawaii, utah, virginia, we have a federal case pending in Julianna Versus united states, and judges, they look to each other on these issues of life and liberty and the really dangerous Climate Situation were in right now. We have a trial date set and our neighbors say for june of next year. We are beginning to prepare for that, and whats key, eamonn, is getting these cases to trial. Because when the evidence is presented, its overwhelming. I mean, the state of montana, they couldnt put forward any evidence to contradict the overwhelming science that was presented in the case. And its why governments are fighting so hard to keep us out of court, including the Biden Administration and the department of justice. Can you talk a bit more about that, and why they want to keep you out of court . I think for all of us who follow this closely and are very nervous and extras about the future of our planet, on one hand, we want more allies. We need to have more allies in this fight. But as i mentioned, youre also seeing politicians standing in that way, some running for office on the basis of denying Climate Change and wanting legislation to be passed to make sure that more fossil fuels are used, not less. Yeah, and its why we need courts looking at Constitutional Rights in this context, because if a court says that continuing to permit falsifies is unconstitutional, because its destroying the Climate System on which life depends, then no legislature can continue to do that. That would be declared unconstitutional,. And what were doing is really similar to what the Young Students were doing in the cases that led up to brown versus board of education. Finding that segregation was unconstitutional. Were now at a point in time where our courts need to say that Fossil Fuel Energy is unconstitutional, and we need to wean ourselves off of that. And you can see the importance of Constitutional Rights, i think when the Dobbs Decision came down and overruled roe v. Wade, everyone could see how overnight our country changes. Because it put the question of abortion back in the hands of politicians and legislatures. And we need Climate Protection and fossil fuels, and those decisions to be taken out of the hands of politicians, so that we can actually protect the planet for our children and future generations. Very important point, and very important comparison. Some of the other pressing issues of our time. Thank you so much, i really appreciate it. Best of luck to you Going Forward and all your other important cases. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Next, an important update on access to a widely used abortion medication. Ill tell you about the. Medication. Ill tell you about the. Ill tell you about the. M coming out of hibernation after the best nap of my life. And papa is hungry. And while youre hittin the trail, im hitting your cooler. Oh, cheddar ive got hot dog buns and your cutrate Car Insurance might not pay for all this. So get allstate, and be better protected from mayhem, like me. Roar. sfx family screams in background voltaren. The joy of movement. 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